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Post by MartinT on Jan 15, 2018 21:03:20 GMT
Joy Division - Substance
I wouldn't normally choose a compilation album for Album Choice but in this case I've selected one for a couple of reasons: firstly Substance contains the best of their work; secondly it features Atmosphere, my favourite of all their songs.
In 1980 I was reaching the end of my time at university. It hadn't been a particularly enjoyable course and being lectured at for three years was not my choice of learning style. My beloved rock music was now displaced by mostly hideous punk. I would have to get a job soon and I didn't know what I wanted to do. Joy Division had come and were now gone forever; I'd had the chance to see them but hadn't quite brought myself around to their music in time. They came through the ashes of punk but had far more to say, and said it much more musically. They would, of course, eventually metamorphose into New Order but without their genius leader.
This isn't easy listening and it isn't particularly complex music. What it is, though, is deep and affecting. It makes for uncomfortable, uneasy listening and is shrouded in the knowledge that Ian Curtis took his own life so young and so needlessly. For me, it has become timeless but very much of its time. Listening to Transmission, Love Will Tear Us Apart, She's Lost Control and Atmosphere are like old comforts now. It's actually a bit like listening to Mahler and generates pretty much the same mood in me.
Hope you find something to like in it. If you listen to only one song, make it Atmosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 21:14:01 GMT
Not an album I’m familiar with, I’ll give it a whirl tomorrow.
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 18, 2018 0:37:54 GMT
I think this was a great selection for Album Choice. Playing it now, it reminds me of a place and a time. I know most of the tracks well but some are slightly different versions. I wish the guitar would have a bit more bite to it.
7 out of 10 for me.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 18, 2018 6:34:56 GMT
I forgot to vote for it myself. The recording quality is limited but you can hear through it to something very much more inspired and heartfelt than almost all punk derived music of that era. It triggers memories for me, too. 9/10.
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Post by Tim on Jan 18, 2018 9:20:11 GMT
I've got it, not played it for awhile though. Ian Curtis was I think out there in the same league as people like Bowie, not on the same scale and a horribly tortured soul, but pure artistic talent coursed through his veins. Uniquely original and never since equalled.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 10:45:02 GMT
This album reminds me why I have never really sort out Joy Division, it's ok but not something I would consider buying or listen to on a regular occasion, I think I will choose 4/10.
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Post by Barrington on Jan 18, 2018 18:49:05 GMT
I also have this , its an album as Martin says has there best songs , not all available on any other albums , so not really a Greatest Hits .They only made two albums interspersed with some fine singles , so if you weren't into them at the time and not got their stuff this is the album to buy. 7/10
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 18, 2018 18:56:21 GMT
I have the CD and have this as a 6. Will listen again and see if I agree with myself Joy Division practising. Good tracks and mediocre. Joy Division started shortly after I rediscovered John Peel and was awash in fabulous music. Another group had a suicide at the same time. Sad and both took me by surprise. I'll upgrade to a 7
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Post by Tim on Jan 18, 2018 20:28:02 GMT
Being an early prog and metal fan most of the punk/post punk era completely passed me by, not only that, I didn’t actually like it – but not so Joy Division, thanks mostly to John Peel and bless him for that. My interest was piqued by Ian Curtis of course, but also Hooky’s bass lines, which to me sounded a lot like Chris Squire, despite Hooky only using a Rickenbacker copy, it still sounded like a Rickenbacker. Hooky actually ‘played’ the bass and I loved his gun slinger type stance (apparently that stance has caused him permanent back problems). I think his playing style is very unique and instantly recognisable. So, I’m a Joy Division fan, ground breaking music and what might we have got? I don’t like compilation albums, but you can’t not have this one as a JD fan, as it contains one of the best pop singles of the 80s, in fact ‘Blue Monday’ and ‘Love Will Tear Us Apart’ are two songs from the 80s I will still happily play, LWTUA especially, which is timeless. New Orders 'Blue Monday' is just poptastic and can be found on a New Order compilation, also called Substance - it's seven and a half minutes of Hooky and synth goodness (12" version) As to a score, well I gave it 9/10 purely because of LWTUA – if it didn’t have that it would probably have been 8/10. Good choice Martin, there’s much musical majesty amongst these songs – compare this to the synthetic pop hits in the charts now and I ask myself will people be playing them in 40 years’ time? Probably not, but I bet they’ll still be playing LWTUA, Transmission and Atmosphere. Funnily enough, I saw a guy walking around town last week, he was I guess 19/20 at most and he was wearing a Joy Division T-Shirt. I said ‘great shirt’ to him and he gave me a huge grin and I swear he skipped a step or two. Such a cool thing to see on someone not even an apple in their Dad’s eye at the time Joy Division were around.
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