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Post by Chris on Jul 13, 2014 19:49:48 GMT
Got caught the other day working at height(25/30ft) without a harness.( Bastard thing was squeezing my baws). As a result I was going to get a verbal warning which morphed overnight into a written warning.  I accepted responsibility and took the stoor,however I did hand him a list of points that I wasn't happy with. Itll go one way or the other so if anyone fancies keeping their fingers crossed for me,please do. Keep you all posted.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 20:00:53 GMT
Got caught the other day working at height(25/30ft) without a harness.( Bastard thing was squeezing my baws). As a result I was going to get a verbal warning which morphed overnight into a written warning. I accepted responsibility and took the stoor,however I did hand him a list of points that I wasn't happy with. Itll go one way or the other so if anyone fancies keeping their fingers crossed for me,please do. Keep you all posted. Duly crossed  |
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Jul 13, 2014 20:17:45 GMT
Best of luck mate, hope it turns out ok.
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Post by Dave on Jul 13, 2014 20:54:40 GMT
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Post by Rexton on Jul 13, 2014 21:43:50 GMT
FFS health and safety, does my head in, anyway, good luck.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 13, 2014 21:58:33 GMT
Getting told off for putting yourself at risk is an age-old issue.
Good luck, chris.
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Post by Chris on Jul 14, 2014 2:20:56 GMT
Much appreciated gents.
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 14, 2014 5:41:11 GMT
He isn't putting himself at risk. It is the firm and his other colleagues he puts at risk.
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Post by kember on Jul 14, 2014 6:31:19 GMT
Chris, Good luck. But please take care. The only thing I'd say is that a close friend of mine is responsible for looking after his brain damaged brother now because his brother failed to take similar precautions at work and fell through a roof - it will never happen to you until it does...and better to chafe your 'nads than suffer that fate  . |
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Post by itcosthowmuch on Jul 14, 2014 11:01:27 GMT
He isn't putting himself at risk. It is the firm and his other colleagues he puts at risk. Agreed. If you fell off and got injured, there would be implications for yourself and the business that employs you. You may not agree with it, but the rules are there to protect you and the business. I work for a business that has lots of health and safety implications (not in EH&S I may add) and you really should take them seriously. A good friend of mine didn't and fell off a roof he was renewing, which resulted in him being deaf in one ear, blind in one eye, memory loss and a complete change in personality and he got zero compensation as he didn't follow the guidelines. It's your life, lets hope you live it to the full. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 14, 2014 12:37:47 GMT
Got to confess to having mixed feelings, knowing what a pain it can be for some of the safety things
and also running my own company
Shame it went to written
Hope it all settle down and goes away Chris
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Post by Chris on Jul 14, 2014 18:51:37 GMT
I get the point about putting others at risk however the situation I was put in was a complete breach of the companies own policies as well. I'm usually very safe and do take it seriously as I've seen numerous accidents over the years. However it is very difficult to protect yourself against management failings.
An example is that policy states "WAH rescue training should take place regularly" - in two and a half years I've never done one rescue at height drill. There is also no one qualified in rescue at height despite this issue being raised over a year ago and I'm still expected to work at height!!
Very difficult situation.
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Post by kember on Jul 14, 2014 19:09:46 GMT
I get the point about putting others at risk however the situation I was put in was a complete breach of the companies own policies as well. However it is very difficult to protect yourself against management failings. An example is that policy states "WAH rescue training should take place regularly" - in two and a half years I've never done one rescue at height drill. There is also no one qualified in rescue at height despite this issue being raised over a year ago and I'm still expected to work at height!! Very difficult situation. Chris, I think we all sympathise and the good thing (I hope) is that you have put those failings on the record. Bloody hypocritical to expect you to follow the rules and then they don't. P |
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Post by Chris on Jul 15, 2014 1:51:36 GMT
Hypocrisy was also one of the points I noted. It's now gone back to the office so it's kind of escalated. No idea what'll happen next.
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 15, 2014 8:25:56 GMT
There is nothing in the work at height regulations that would necessarily make the absence of periodic rescue training a breach of those regulations . Emphasis is on planning , competency , relevant equipment and training . Your employer does not therefore necessarily put you at risk by ignoring this aspect of their policy .
However , work equipment , which is also personal protective equipment which does not fit you correctly is a breach of -
work at heights regulation 7
personal protective equipment regulations 1992
Work equipment regulations 1992
Seems to me if the harness geniunely did not fit you then there is a level of culpability with your employees which may assist in diffusing the situation . There is a duty on an employer to make periodic inspections of work equipment to estblish its ongoing suitability but it is also of course up to you to bring it to their attention .
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 15, 2014 12:29:15 GMT
Hypocrisy and tight fitting.
If this comes to anything serious they may have a problem with the poor fitting
Take photos
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Post by Chris on Jul 15, 2014 19:03:53 GMT
The poor fitting was covered by the response - there are several different harnesses on board,it's up to you to find one that fits. Fair enough.
No danielquinn there isn't,however it's a stated,written policy here and the lack of training(rescue at height and what to do if you do fall) were both neglected. This isn't my first BBQ so I'm aware of the dangers of suspension trauma and how to deal with it. There are plenty here who aren't though.
Turns out someone else has been collared today for wearing a harness whilst at height but not clipping onto anything and his workmate did nowt as well. The boss will go fucking bonkers at tomorrow's meeting.
We are told out here every day take your time do it safely. In reality you were expected to turn a blind eye and crack on but this boss has been recently promoted and is a different kettle of fish altogether. We actually see him out on deck and he DOESNT turn a blind eye.
Quite hard to get used to all this them actually meaning it.
mikemusic - pics are a no no here mate - the flash of a camera can trigger flame detectors and other alarms.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 16, 2014 12:52:11 GMT
I hope it is worth your while being there.
I left Rank Xerox back in the 70s mainly because of the hypocrisy
We must always be ethical in all we do
How many boxes will you shift this week ? (do anything to shift boxes)
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