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Post by MartinT on Jul 21, 2014 18:57:21 GMT
So, not the 'game changers' they were claimed to be, lol? Don't worry, I realise that you were not the author of that unfortunate description. No, and I was careful to distance myself from such wide-sweeping and rather naïve comments. What I heard were edges and a tonality that would help very much with an over-bright system. I thought I liked what they did at first, but they turned out not to suit my system.
I said I was prepared to eat humble pie. Sometimes you just get it wrong.
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Post by John on Jul 21, 2014 19:03:43 GMT
For me its system synergy as Tony pointed out the other cables might of suited other systems and that it is always good to go back and see if things have changed
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Post by Marco on Jul 21, 2014 19:14:54 GMT
So, not the 'game changers' they were claimed to be, lol? Don't worry, I realise that you were not the author of that unfortunate description. No, and I was careful to distance myself from such wide-sweeping and rather naïve comments. What I heard were edges and a tonality that would help very much with an over-bright system. I thought I liked what they did at first, but they turned out not to suit my system.
I said I was prepared to eat humble pie. Sometimes you just get it wrong.
Indeed (as sometimes we all do) - and it's to your credit that you've had the balls to admit it, instead of making up a load of excuses... Respect, mate!  Marco. |
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Post by jammy on Jul 22, 2014 4:46:14 GMT
So what do we think is going on with isolation for solid state electronic devices? (Pinkie)
Well since the vast majority of SSED have no moving parts (TT/CD excluded) I would have to conclude there will be Sweet FA
going on.
And as Dan ask's just how does one quantify or prove it.
Sorry to here your systems still evolving after 15 years and a kings ransome Martin.
Synergy is indeed a Bastard.
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Post by John on Jul 22, 2014 5:14:53 GMT
A system is always capable of involving its a individual thing in how far you wish to push this
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Post by MartinT on Jul 22, 2014 6:08:34 GMT
Well since the vast majority of SSED have no moving parts (TT/CD excluded) I would have to conclude there will be Sweet FA going on. And as Dan ask's just how does one quantify or prove it. Sorry to here your systems still evolving after 15 years and a kings ransome Martin. Synergy is indeed a Bastard. Well, Jammy, don't misunderstand me: I have received a great deal of pleasure from my system along the journey. I don't see it as one that ends, there will always be little tweaks and improvements along the way, and the very occasional big one. Do I regret what I've spent on it? Not at all! The amount of musical enjoyment I have received is immeasurable. I have often said that if I had to give up the hi-fi system or the car it would be the car in a flash - no brainer!
Agreed that solid state components have no moving parts but they are known to be microphonic. To such a degree that it surprises me what a difference supports make, but there you are. If there were a universal, inexpensive, support like a bicycle inner tube that worked with everything, I would use it. As it stands, a very general rule has emerged in my system that the turntable and SACD player like absorbent footers, the rest of the equipment solid cone footers. All this on an equipment rack that already floats on springs. No, I can't explain it.
I'm playing with a seismograph app on my phone to see if I can capture vibrations when placing it onto different pieces of equipment. If I get anywhere with it, I'll publish the results.
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Post by jammy on Jul 22, 2014 10:50:45 GMT
I have often said that if I had to give up the hi-fi system or the car it would be the car in a flash - no brainer! (MartinT).
Yep i would tend to agree with you there Martin, Hard to think of life without Music.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 2, 2014 14:15:47 GMT
For Brian: my Clearlight RDC Cone usage:
Small RCD5: under the Aurorasound VIDA phono pre and its power supply
Medium RDC2: under the Pass preamp and its power supply, under the Chord power amp
Large RCD3: under the P10 regenerator
All are arranged point downwards, affording the largest surface for coupling with the component. All are sets of three except for under the Aurorasound power supply.
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Post by brian2957 on Aug 2, 2014 14:34:35 GMT
Thanks Martin , much appreciated .
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Post by MartinT on Aug 27, 2014 3:14:05 GMT
Having some thoughts about my system rack. I might dismantle all the equipment on my return and pull it forward from the wall, to create some more space behind for cables to fall neatly. I can also make a dramatic change by removing the six sprung feet from the pillars and substituting spikes.
The question is: from all that I've learned, can I expect it to be an improvement (considering that every component on it has its own footer arrangement) or a step backward?
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Post by shuggie on Aug 27, 2014 6:22:27 GMT
Having some thoughts about my system rack. I might dismantle all the equipment on my return and pull it forward from the wall, to create some more space behind for cables to fall neatly. I can also make a dramatic change by removing the six sprung feet from the pillars and substituting spikes. The question is: from all that I've learned, can I expect it to be an improvement (considering that every component on it has its own footer arrangement) or a step backward?You can expect it to be different. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 27, 2014 8:17:31 GMT
There is also the Stillpoints option .....
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Post by MartinT on Aug 27, 2014 9:11:06 GMT
Different - yes! But better? Would the components prefer their footers to connect to a stand which is a rigid sink to ground, or floating with a given spring/mass resonance of about 2Hz?
Mike - the pillar bases are threaded for optional spikes. I can't see how Stillpoints could be used?
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 27, 2014 9:19:32 GMT
It is by no means as simple as that vis-a-vis the turntable. IMO your electronics wont give a toss  . Your turntable as isolation modifications,. platter/feet . You have chosen these on the basis of how they perform on a table which decouples . Coupling it will change those variables , they may no longer be the optimum choice. As a general rule , coupling is the best way to deal with vibration in my opinion , decoupling is for when the room presents problems when coupled . |
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Post by yomanze on Aug 27, 2014 9:42:25 GMT
So what do we think is going on with isolation for solid state electronic devices? (Pinkie) Well since the vast majority of SSED have no moving parts (TT/CD excluded) I would have to conclude there will be Sweet FA going on. And as Dan ask's just how does one quantify or prove it. Sorry to here your systems still evolving after 15 years and a kings ransome Martin. Synergy is indeed a Bastard. Capacitors can be microphonic, and power supplies are a nice source of noise and vibration. LFD pay attention to microphony despite no tubes in sight, which is why the newer gear (like my preamp) uses a more massive chassis with bitumen damping and channels built into the casework... |
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Post by dvh on Aug 27, 2014 9:58:54 GMT
Different - yes! But better? Would the components prefer their footers to connect to a stand which is a rigid sink to ground, or floating with a given spring/mass resonance of about 2Hz? Well, whether the difference will better or worse will depend on whether you prefer the sound of one to the other, and only you can judge this. Personally, I'd leave well enough alone rather than faff about for what might be a marginal improvement (but I'm incredibly lazy and also cack-handed, so quite likely to break something when moving it). |
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 27, 2014 9:59:05 GMT
Different - yes! But better? Would the components prefer their footers to connect to a stand which is a rigid sink to ground, or floating with a given spring/mass resonance of about 2Hz? Mike - the pillar bases are threaded for optional spikes. I can't see how Stillpoints could be used? Knowing your system I know at least one will work, going on top, currently for the Ayre No idea how the mix would work on your racks. Should be interesting to try !  |
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 27, 2014 10:06:07 GMT
So what do we think is going on with isolation for solid state electronic devices? (Pinkie) Well since the vast majority of SSED have no moving parts (TT/CD excluded) I would have to conclude there will be Sweet FA going on. And as Dan ask's just how does one quantify or prove it. Sorry to here your systems still evolving after 15 years and a kings ransome Martin. Synergy is indeed a Bastard. Capacitors can be micro phonic, and power supplies are a nice source of noise and vibration. LFD pay attention to microphony despite no tubes in sight, which is why the newer gear (like my preamp) uses a more massive chassis with bitumen damping and channels built into the casework... - winding copper round metal and then putting electricity through it creates mechanical noise . Damping it in bitumen is fair enough . However it is a leap of faith to argue that mechanical noise effects sound quality [ other than it being annoying if audible ] and it is illegitimate to use the fact of mechanical noise damping to argue that structural born vibration getting to the transformer will effect sound quality . It is not the same thing . |
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Post by brian2957 on Aug 27, 2014 16:53:26 GMT
I bought some of the RCD cones for under my amp last week and immediately bought another set for under my server . Fantastic upgrade Martin . I'm well pleased . |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 27, 2014 17:51:54 GMT
DQ - no leap of faith is required for establishing that all components are affected by vibration to a greater or lesser extent, and respond well to footers of some kind. You only need to try it to hear the difference.
Brian - I am glad that you found the RDCs so effective. I think they are great value for the SQ improvement they bring.
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. Your turntable as isolation modifications,. platter/feet . You have chosen these on the basis of how they perform on a table which decouples . Coupling it will change those variables , they may no longer be the optimum choice.
