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Post by shuggie on Jul 16, 2014 10:51:53 GMT
Interesting stuff Martin. It goes to show that sometime we are led astray by what we feel at the time is a genuine improvement; and on the other hand why things like mains cables can matter. I wish that cables did not matter in audio, but my own experience is that they do; and rarely is there a true 'giant killing' bargain out there. I still reel when recalling what a loaned Vertex AQ Hi-Rez mains cable did in my system - reeling not just because of the price, but at the astonishing effect that it had on my own enjoyment of the system. Maybe one day I'll succeed in picking up a Hi-Rez Roraima for a reasonable amount of money (I'm looking!).
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Post by John on Jul 16, 2014 11:54:48 GMT
System synergy is a strange thing
When I went was going down the regenerator route I found the cable to it was really important god knows why
Sounds like a very educational experience.
If only we could all have that
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 12:17:18 GMT
Now you mention it there was always something about your system I could not put my finger on. 'Thin' is sort of it, but not quite This is in comparison to my system which is probably 'fat' ! We discussed your Isis versus my Ayre in the same manner. The Isis is full bodied, slightly rounded and slightly fat in the bass. It suits your system and tastes perfectly. The Ayre is detailed, up front, tight but does not have the luscious midrange of the Isis. It suits my system and my tastes perfectly! |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 12:21:23 GMT
I wish that cables did not matter in audio, but my own experience is that they do; and rarely is there a true 'giant killing' bargain out there. I still reel when recalling what a loaned Vertex AQ Hi-Rez mains cable did in my system - reeling not just because of the price, but at the astonishing effect that it had on my own enjoyment of the system. I remember you mentioning that cable, Hugo. I was certainly reeling last night because the difference was so obvious it was laughable. I wish cable sceptics could have been there! |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 16, 2014 12:24:38 GMT
Interesting stuff Martin. It goes to show that sometime we are led astray by what we feel at the time is a genuine improvement; and on the other hand why things like mains cables can matter. I wish that cables did not matter in audio, but my own experience is that they do; and rarely is there a true 'giant killing' bargain out there. I still reel when recalling what a loaned Vertex AQ Hi-Rez mains cable did in my system - reeling not just because of the price, but at the astonishing effect that it had on my own enjoyment of the system. Maybe one day I'll succeed in picking up a Hi-Rez Roraima for a reasonable amount of money (I'm looking!). <Looks up Vertex AQ Hi-Rez> <passes out> <regains consciousness> Oh yes that is qute a lot of money If anyone needs to ask, you can't afford it, thousands......... |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 16, 2014 12:26:29 GMT
System synergy is a strange thing When I went was going down the regenerator route I found the cable to it was really important god knows why Sounds like a very educational experience. If only we could all have that I've had it explained. Got it. Part of me still says it seems illogical Spose the simple thing is it regenerates only what you give it to start with. GIGO Certainly my P10 is staying |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 12:27:53 GMT
When I went was going down the regenerator route I found the cable to it was really important god knows why Remember that silver cable you brought over once?!! |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 16, 2014 12:28:24 GMT
Now you mention it there was always something about your system I could not put my finger on. 'Thin' is sort of it, but not quite This is in comparison to my system which is probably 'fat' ! We discussed your Isis versus my Ayre in the same manner. The Isis is full bodied, slightly rounded and slightly fat in the bass. It suits your system and tastes perfectly. The Ayre is detailed, up front, tight but does not have the luscious midrange of the Isis. It suits my system and my tastes perfectly! And the crazy thing was the Marigo mat brought them closer together in sound. Assume that is 'adding accuracy' - if that makes sense |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 12:35:36 GMT
I still use the Marigo every play  |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 16, 2014 12:41:32 GMT
Could not go without on the Isis - but not the upside down Pioneer, tends to go a bit quiet |
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Post by John on Jul 16, 2014 16:12:47 GMT
I used to use that cable on my regenerator and then balanced mains.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 17, 2014 20:01:45 GMT
Tonight I listened to my rebuilt system (with Yannis interconnects in place) and my Furukawa 2.6 power cable feeding the P10. Had a good listen to a few very familiar tracks. Then I swapped to the 6D power cable. Yep, I heard the same things again - lifted upper mid, smoother and more detailed treble, more musical with a very nice soundstage. I wasn't imagining it and wasn't simply wowed by Tony's presence!
So that's a repeat lesson for me: power arrangements can make a big difference.
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Post by Marco on Jul 21, 2014 11:23:31 GMT
A most interesting account of events, Martin, so thanks for sharing it. I always find having contact with Tony rather good value, as the man knows his stuff! That, and he's usually good company, and as you say, knows his music. Out of interest, what did he think of your Techy? Did you play much vinyl at all? So, now that you've gone back to your Yannis cables, what's happening with the Slics; essentially how would you describe the difference in musical presentation between both cables now that your system is sonically better optimised, through the improvements you've made, in terms of how it receives power from the mains supply? Marco. |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 21, 2014 12:25:59 GMT
I played both vinyl and CDs so Tony heard both. At one point, he thought the turntable was working better, but to my ears now they are both working better.
Now that the power cable has made the system more transparent in the upper mid to treble area, the Yannis are showing their true worth while the SLICs hold it back with a more recessed mid. A lesson learned, as with all these things. I won't do anything rash just yet, but I'll be rationalising my spare items soon.
Tony is going to return at some point with some more power items. I hope to hear that filter containing 'magic dust' again, I could not believe how it made the regenerator sound even better!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 13:54:26 GMT
I never heard anything else regarding those Gales you rebuilt martin..How they sounding?
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Post by MartinT on Jul 21, 2014 14:28:13 GMT
They sound fab, Andr'e. I don't bring them out much but will always keep them as backup speakers and possibly for shows. Photo series here. |
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Post by Marco on Jul 21, 2014 17:01:13 GMT
I played both vinyl and CDs so Tony heard both. At one point, he thought the turntable was working better, but to my ears now they are both working better. Now that the power cable has made the system more transparent in the upper mid to treble area, the Yannis are showing their true worth while the SLICs hold it back with a more recessed mid. A lesson learned, as with all these things. I won't do anything rash just yet, but I'll be rationalising my spare items soon. Tony is going to return at some point with some more power items. I hope to hear that filter containing 'magic dust' again, I could not believe how it made the regenerator sound even better! So, not the 'game changers' they were claimed to be, lol? Don't worry, I realise that you were not the author of that unfortunate description. Anyway, we all make mistakes sometimes, me included, but as you say, the most important thing is to learn from it and use the experience to your advantage, which is clearly what you've done since further optimising the power side of things The mains leads that Tony brought round sound interesting, and must be good if they've ousted the Furukawas!  Ditto, the filter... I wonder if it's similar to the one I use which has been designed by Anthony? I might ask him to liaise with Tony on that and see if the design principles are similar. If so, I can certainly vouch for its efficacy. Anyway, glad you guys had fun and that the results of your session were productive!  Marco. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 17:33:08 GMT
I feel they way Martin's system is now sounding the Yannis cables just simply generate a more even handed sound which is better suited to the way M's sound disperses in his room with those big Ushers.
In a different system the results may well be reversed, all these changes are system dependent and more importantly personal preferences.
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Post by Marco on Jul 21, 2014 17:40:55 GMT
Indeed, Tony, which proves that NO cables can act automatically as a 'magic bullet', just the same as that same principle also applies to equipment and speakers - as ever, synergy is the key! Marco. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 18:22:51 GMT
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I would suggest that some systems which are skewed in some way (either boom and tizz and a mid orientated cable would help immensely there etc) may indeed take a magic bullet and subjectively appear to work wonders when in reality all it is doing is leveling the playing field to enable the system to produce a more even handed balance.
It purely depends on on how the system is configured, room / speaker interaction / amplifier / speaker impedance matching, ,mains quality and isolation from the rest of the electrical uses within the house hold.
That said, I know of one or two systems, that cost under £3000, that use no mains devices or fancy interconnects or isolation devices and sold bouncy, fun and engaging.
It's all a matter of taste and personal preferences.
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Ditto, the filter... I wonder if it's similar to the one I use which has been designed by Anthony? I might ask him to liaise with Tony on that and see if the design principles are similar. If so, I can certainly vouch for its efficacy.