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Post by MartinT on Nov 25, 2015 19:25:39 GMT
MikeMusic yes, of course, an engineer can seriously muck up a good album (my usual example: Coldplay X&Y) John it's been my subconscious goal for most of my life. Barrington those are TubeTraps, part of my passive room treatment. I have one in each corner of the room.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2015 20:23:12 GMT
I have added two further tweaks to the system tonight: 1. The Vertex AQ Jaya plug-in mains noise suppressor that I purchased from steveeb (Electric Beach) is plugged into the ring main very close to my system. I now have a Vertex Jaya, PS Audio Harvester x 2, Isoplug, Russ Andrews Silencer and Isotek Neoplug all plugged into the house circuit. The PC is on its own isolation filter and the TV is fed through an Isotek Mira. Then the clean-ish mains goes through my P10 regenerator. No-one could say that I don't take mains cleanliness seriously, and it really does pay dividends. The cumulative effect of the different devices is to give a profound reduction in mains-borne noise manifesting as a very quiet background and low noise floor to the music, helping the resolution of very fine detail. 2. After some struggle, I have the P10 regenerator on four Black Ravioli, matching the others under key components in the system. This wasn't easy due to its 33kg and the difficultly of moving the bugger with the tips of my fingers. It's not quite level on four feet, rocking slightly. However, I am assured that the BRs will settle and the P10's weight and will end up sitting evenly on all four. This is key to how they work, requiring contact with the flat underside of the component. Initial listening has given a further out-of-the-box experience, even the tape noise on some recordings floating in space and not at all attached to either speaker. I will leave all this to settle and will report back in a few days.
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Post by John on Nov 27, 2015 20:36:28 GMT
I would imagine the BR under the P10 worth the effort
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Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2015 20:37:43 GMT
It's sounding that way, John. I hope they settle evenly under the P10, otherwise it'll be a big coin going under one of them.
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 28, 2015 11:58:07 GMT
I found moving the P10 much easier with some RDC cones already there. Then sliding what you want to test under and removing the cones.
I have much more height to play with though
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Post by MartinT on Nov 28, 2015 12:27:59 GMT
Vertex Jaya, PS Audio Harvester x 2, Isoplug, Russ Andrews Silencer and Isotek Neoplug all plugged into the house circuit. The PC is on its own isolation filter and the TV is fed through an Isotek Mira. I've also ordered a Kemp Elektroniks SNS and an Isotek EVO3 IsoPlug, to add to the list.
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 28, 2015 17:04:54 GMT
Sounds enough for a separate thread
Mains stuff wot I dun
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Post by MartinT on Nov 28, 2015 18:24:22 GMT
I've listed each one, but it's the cumulative effect of different filters spread around the house that works so well.
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 28, 2015 21:49:34 GMT
Have you collated them together in the last post or 3 ?
Are they in key places ?
Thinking on... Do you think the Black Ravioli have a place somewhere else, not just under kit ?
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Post by MartinT on Dec 4, 2015 21:15:21 GMT
A quick update: thanks to @tonyc loaning me another set of Black Ravioli feet, I finally pulled the P10 regenerator out, removed the RDCs and placed it back in position on the BRs. Due to a slight warp in the shelf, the P10 has crushed two of them down but still has a very slight rock. I shall leave them for longer and eventually I feel it will settle. More importantly, some more of that magic opening up of sound and disappearing of the speakers is still happening, as well as the Belles and Coherent cables fully running in. Tony was right to suggest the P10 as the final component to receive the BR treatment. MikeMusic I am working on a collated article about my mains treatments.
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Post by BilliumB on Dec 5, 2015 1:03:53 GMT
I've listed each one, but it's the cumulative effect of different filters spread around the house that works so well. Any thoughts on whether all those filters might be adding 'crud' to your earth line?
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Post by MartinT on Dec 5, 2015 8:36:46 GMT
No, none at all. They can't, they're passive and can only absorb. The final proof is in the listening, of course. My noise floor is exceptionally low at night. The clarity of fine detail and lack of harshness speak to the cleanliness of the mains feed into my system.
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Post by MartinT on Dec 5, 2015 8:38:17 GMT
Ah, I see what you're saying. I use an earth spike so the earth is extremely low impedance and can suck away all the crud injected into it.
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Post by BilliumB on Dec 5, 2015 19:33:04 GMT
Any idea what sort of impedance your earth line is 'showing' to the noise frequencies that the filters might be extracting?
It's a serious question as I've been pondering over such issues for some time - but too busy to do anything about at the moment.
Cheers. Bill
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Post by MartinT on Dec 5, 2015 22:49:43 GMT
Not sure I have the equipment to measure it properly. I know that, on a dry day, I can pour a kettle of water onto the head of the spike and it helps the SQ.
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Post by BilliumB on Dec 6, 2015 0:49:59 GMT
Do you find the kettle of water improves things at night also (when your noise floor is low)?
I wonder if different cable (lower impedance to the relevant frequencies) for the earth line (at least between your kit and the earth spike) would also improve things?
Cheers. Bill
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Post by MartinT on Dec 6, 2015 5:37:03 GMT
It's the wrong time of year to experiment, so I'll leave it for the dry summer months. I don't think it has such a big influence on me as for some with a poor earth setup.
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Post by John on Dec 6, 2015 6:39:55 GMT
When I had my mains renewed including a new board re bounding the earth and dedicated spur I no longer needed balanced mains
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Post by alaska on Dec 6, 2015 11:41:54 GMT
Not sure I have the equipment to measure it properly. I know that, on a dry day, I can pour a kettle of water onto the head of the spike and it helps the SQ. Which has a better impact on the SQ - still or sparkling
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Post by MartinT on Dec 6, 2015 12:07:19 GMT
Sparkling. Oh, you're still talking about the spike
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