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Post by ant on Aug 23, 2017 12:27:14 GMT
The tx's on the 300b were the problem, a pair of 300bs aren't too bad but a pair of half decent 5k output transformers that were good for 120ma were a couple of hundred quid. A 400ma 350v mains tx was at the time about 150 ish, half amp chokes were nearly 100 quid and there were 2 of them as it was a choke input.
There was about 500 quid just in the tx's on that amp. Decent components such as black gates, mundorfs, ect pushed the cost up to nearly a grand. And that was before any ancillaries.
Something like a 211 is like this but has the added complications such as heaters that are much higher current and higher voltage, the need for dc heating, very hefty transformers are needed, regulators, cathode followers to drive the 211s ect.
It is a much much tougher proposition. You could throw a 300b amp together reasonably easily, its not a difficult valve to drive, and there are plenty of suppliers for trannies and all the other necessary bits specifically for the 300b.
For a big transmitter valve things get rapidly much more complicated....
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Post by tim1750 on Aug 23, 2017 16:04:33 GMT
I see what your taking about
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Post by jandl100 on Aug 23, 2017 20:27:44 GMT
Krell is known for it great bottom end ,how does it compare Jerry Well, it's only 10wpc, Tim - some specs say 8wpc! Somehow it doesn't flex the walls in the way that my old 330wpc Krell amp managed. A bit strange that. But the bass is fine - its character being quite lean and controlled. My own priorities lie further up the frequency spectrum, and it does a mighty fine job there. Surprisingly transparent and detailed, good well focused imaging as well. It's one of the few amps that I could happily live with longer term if I didn't get the itch to try new things! It's well put together (as you can see from the posted internal pic) and looks seriously cute in a mini-Krell kind of way. The price from some sources is silly-low. It's a fine amp pretty much regardless of price, imo -- providing your speakers and music choices can make do with 10wpc!
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Post by tim1750 on Aug 23, 2017 20:47:29 GMT
You sound really pleased with it Jerry,that's always good to hear (no pun intended )
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Post by Chris on Aug 23, 2017 21:22:32 GMT
I also lack the skills to build anything like that but I'd love to be able to! I'd go for a nice wee low power valve amp and a high power solid state number.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 24, 2017 5:25:54 GMT
You can get that Nobsound as a DIY kit for just over £100!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 8:35:22 GMT
Just a wee bit of help which may save you smoke and tears.
Please note 2N3055/2N2955 are made by many companies do not bye a duff set avoid China, and far East devices, try and get the original from RCA or Harris. Do not buy ever STC labelled devices, in the original device the Si was about 4mm Square and could easily run in the SOA (Safe Operating Area) at well over 100W, but the Si die in others are only 1mm Square, so smoke will happen.
Now also look out for 2N3772-3 in TO-3 this transistor makes the the 2N3055 look like a toy.
Oh the RCA and Harris devices will manage 1MHz BW with ease the crap stuff maybe 100KHz
The reason I wrote this when I designed large linear PSU at 55V 100,000Amps we used 1000,s of power transistor and the new buyer trying to save money bought 100K of the crap transistor to save just a few old pennies.
Most 'A' Class designs are still only a push pull designs, SECA designs I think sound better, the Mullard CCT (1968-1972) before JLH used a choke as constant current much like so many modern design from Greece or Italy, but these are low power and the choke is huge and heavy.
Wireless World circa 1974 also did a design and our Noel Keywood also had a great bash at it.
Getting the PSU to be a very low impedance is the trick to get a good sound and 50W-70W SECA I made sound better than some of the 300W I made. The 300W had 80 big MOS FET,s and a set of driver for each set of 5 FETs, this was done to over come the huge current to overcome the dreadful effects of the large gate capacitance. Also note the early SECA designs I did did not have a regulated PSU so to over come the hum caused by the ripple current the 300W had 3 sets of 1.5F yep 1,500,000uF at 80V ouch cost at the time was crazy.
A large bank of NiFe cell would have been better but at about 0.5Tons crazy and not very portable.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 25, 2017 9:15:32 GMT
I don't remember the 2N3055 having a very good frequency bandwidth, is that why early NAD amps sounded warm and a bit lacking in dynamics?
2N3772 sounds more like the BDY56 that JLH so liked.
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Post by tim1750 on Aug 27, 2017 6:54:56 GMT
Sorry about that,it's first thing in the morning for me and I don't have a clue what i'm doing !
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