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Post by pre65 on Jul 12, 2014 12:03:35 GMT
I found the following on a Government web page about ROHS exemptions.
I'm not an expert in legal speak, but it seems to be a get out for using an LDR preamp ?
"Equipment may also be part of a fixed installation. A “fixed installation” may
be a combination of several pieces of equipment, systems, products and/or
components (or parts) assembled and/or erected by a professional
assembler or installer at a given place to operate together in an expected
environment and to perform a specific task, but not intended to be placed on
the market as a single functional or commercial unit.
In such a case, the elements of a system that are not discernible EEE
products in their own right or that do not have a direct function away from the
installation are excluded from the scope of the RoHS Regulations. "
The full document
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/31803/11-526-rohs-regulations-government-guidance-notes.pdf
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 12, 2014 12:34:08 GMT
Clutching at straws and not applicable to hi-fi.
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Post by pre65 on Jul 12, 2014 12:46:24 GMT
Not "clutching at straws" Richard, more trying to interpret the regulations as they apply to me and the DIY community in general.
Why is hi-fi such a specific category for the ROHS regulations, and I'm sure the regulations that apply to you as a manufacturer do not apply the same to me as a DIYer for my own use.
I will find proof before too long. 
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 12, 2014 12:54:51 GMT
Because hi-fi is sold as distinct products that go to make up a system, and anyway this applies to professional or industrial installations where everything is included to do a specific job, like a computer in a robot assembly line is not sold as a computer even though that is its function.
professional / industrial v domestic applications are treated differently within the regs. There is far more tolerance for equipment that is going to be used by trained individuals who do it as a job.
There are solicitors and test engineer who are paid very high salaries to interpret the regs, and if you come out with a sentence or paragraph like that to defend yourself when your house is being sued out from under you, you will be laughed out of court.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 15:36:39 GMT
A good friend who is a lawyer specializing in commercial / industrial law commented on the definition of 'CE by type approval' which is perfectly legal against those that products which have been citified by an approved testing house.
If ever an incident happened, in court 'CE type approval' the onus in the company / individual to PROVE CE compliance and the correct directives upheld regarding the concerned products (and all due diligence was adhered to) in construction of the product(s)IE you have to prove your goods are safe.
If you have a genuine certificate of CE approval along with the 80-150 page of test data etc, the burden of proof falls on the state to prove your goods /items were not to the specified standard to which their were being retailed here in the EU.
With small numbered runs and one off's, this is not necessary unless some incompetent chimp has made a deliberate pig ears of proceedings.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 12, 2014 16:37:33 GMT
A good friend who is a lawyer specializing in commercial / industrial law commented on the definition of 'CE by type approval' which is perfectly legal against those that products which have been citified by an approved testing house. If ever an incident happened, in court 'CE type approval' the onus in the company / individual to PROVE CE compliance and the correct directives upheld regarding the concerned products (and all due diligence was adhered to) in construction of the product(s)IE you have to prove your goods are safe. If you have a genuine certificate of CE approval along with the 80-150 page of test data etc, the burden of proof falls on the state to prove your goods /items were not to the specified standard to which their were being retailed here in the EU. With small numbered runs and one off's, this is not necessary unless some incompetent chimp has made a deliberate pig ears of proceedings. It is known as self certification. |
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Post by steve on Jul 12, 2014 22:20:37 GMT
I'm bored with this crap.
If I read one more bloody thing about light dependent fooking resistors I think I'll scream.
The damn things are just another flavour of the month pile of bullshit and the sooner they bugger off back into the hole from which they crawled the happier I'll be.
They're on here, they're on Audio Talk, they're on Art of Sound, they're breeding like Tribbles.
They're dangerous, they fail ROHS, CE and just about every other sensible safety regulation on the planet.
JUST LAY OFF THEM. That would be the best thing all round. You would have peace of mind, knowing that you will remain healthy
for just that little bit longer, you won't have the problem of safe disposal at end of life and I won't have to die of boredom.
"They sound better than anything I've ever heard in my life before" Well whoop de bloody doo! I'll take half a dozen!
Ferchrissakes, there are far more important things that influence your sound quality like you know, speakers? The room?
The whole thing is ridiculous, as ridiculous as using mercury vapour rectifiers in a KV powered transmitter triode amp.
Break one of those things and you'll know about it. You'll poison your living room forever, yourself and everyone else who ventures into your living space after that.
Explain that to the judge.
Rant over.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 12, 2014 22:42:57 GMT
 GOOD RANT |
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Post by guy on Jul 13, 2014 12:53:03 GMT
I found the following on a Government web page about ROHS exemptions.
I'm not an expert in legal speak, but it seems to be a get out for using an LDR preamp ?
"Equipment may also be part of a fixed installation. A “fixed installation” may
be a combination of several pieces of equipment, systems, products and/or
components (or parts) assembled and/or erected by a professional
assembler or installer at a given place to operate together in an expected
environment and to perform a specific task, but not intended to be placed on
the market as a single functional or commercial unit.
In such a case, the elements of a system that are not discernible EEE
products in their own right or that do not have a direct function away from the
installation are excluded from the scope of the RoHS Regulations. "
The full document
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/31803/11-526-rohs-regulations-government-guidance-notes.pdflike a pre amp? |
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Post by hobnob on Jul 13, 2014 13:00:41 GMT
Did you find that by reading the small print lol |
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Post by Dave on Jul 13, 2014 13:39:53 GMT
I love that. mind if I use it as my sig?
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Post by guy on Jul 13, 2014 15:45:06 GMT
Did you find that by reading the small print lol tee hee  |
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Post by steve on Jul 13, 2014 16:07:39 GMT
I love that. mind if I use it as my sig?
Go ahead |
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