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Post by Chris on Jul 11, 2014 19:07:35 GMT
I really don't want to start a big argument here as I know it's a touchy subject but it's (hopefully) an easy question....
4 strands in a biwire cable - red and black as usual but does it matter about which posts the other two go to?
My thinking is that it doesn't as long as they stay the same - is this right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 19:21:38 GMT
What cable are you using and what are the other colours? Having asked that if you connect the same colour to same terminal each end should be right. Also check if all strands are the same thickness - if two are thicker use for bass connection.
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Post by Barry on Jul 11, 2014 19:21:43 GMT
I really don't want to start a big argument here as I know it's a touchy subject but it's (hopefully) an easy question.... 4 strands in a biwire cable - red and black as usual but does it matter about which posts the other two go to? My thinking is that it doesn't as long as they stay the same - is this right? First of all remove the links on both the speakers. Then if you are using two pairs of speaker cable for each speaker, wire up each speaker as follows: (1) one red wire to the upper red (or +ve) terminal on the back of the speaker, with the black wire to the upper black (or -ve) terminal, (2) the second red wire to the lower red terminal on the rear of the speaker, with the second black wire to the lower black speaker terminal, (3) at the amplifier end, connect both the red wires together and to the appropriate red terminal of the amplifier (ie. the left hand channel for the left hand speaker) Do the same for the black wires. (4) repeat step (3) for the other channel.
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Post by Dave on Jul 11, 2014 19:29:49 GMT
Of course, if you have two sets of speaker outputs on the rear of your amp just follow Barry's advice above to wire those up too
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Post by Chris on Jul 11, 2014 20:08:44 GMT
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Post by Chris on Jul 17, 2014 22:39:27 GMT
Ok it's the speaker cable linked to above.
I need to go 4 into 2 with one black,one red,one blue and one orange.
4 to the speakers then what?
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Post by Barry on Jul 18, 2014 0:29:22 GMT
Ok it's the speaker cable linked to above. I need to go 4 into 2 with one black,one red,one blue and one orange. 4 to the speakers then what? OK – a possible wiring scheme would be as follows: On one speaker (say the left hand one) (1) connect the red wire to the top red (+ve) speaker terminal (2) connect the black wire to the top black (-ve) speaker terminal (3) connect the orange wire to the bottom red (+ve) speaker terminal (4) connect the blue wire to the bottom black (-ve) speaker terminal then at the amplifier end: (5) connect the red and orange wires together at the amplifier’s left-hand channel red output terminal (6) connect the black and blue wires together at the amplifier’s left-hand channel black output terminal. Repeat the above for the right-hand speaker and the right-hand amplifier output. (Again, don’t forget to remove the connecting links on both speakers.)
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Post by Chris on Jul 18, 2014 6:46:47 GMT
Perfect. Thank you very much Barry.
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Post by Chris on Jul 18, 2014 7:37:06 GMT
Hooked it all up,as per instructions, and have to say I'm delighted.
Thanks again.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 18, 2014 7:42:16 GMT
How does it sound, Chris? Did you have single wiring before?
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Post by Chris on Jul 18, 2014 8:10:04 GMT
Bloody marvellous mate. I've just updated the speaker thread with my thoughts.
I used a couple of different speaker cables before,always cheap stuff as I don't believe da hype, 6mm plain stuff and 4mm Supra but this studio spares stuff is very good. Thick rubber coating then a string/paper inner and 4 decent wires. Hooked onto silver banana plugs.
Seems to be a bit more "open" and lighter if that makes any sense.
I'm delighted with it.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 18, 2014 10:57:56 GMT
Per usual there is much misunderstanding, and dare I say bullshit, published on the forums. If you double the cable to make a bi-wire set then the LCR changes so the sound is bound to change. Resistance halves, capacitance doubles, inductance halves. So there is no way to get an accurate assessment of what the *bi-wire* itself is actually doing. The other way requires a cable that has separately insulated cores which can then be split between the two legs. The greater number going to the bass driver as that is where the current is drawn. With this way LCR doesn't change so a clear assessment of what bi-wiring does can be made.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 18, 2014 11:10:38 GMT
One way you could attempt to hear what bi-wiring does is to run the bi-wire sets in parallel, with the links left on the crossover, compared with running in true split configuration. I don't know how much value such an exercise would be, though.
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Post by Chris on Jul 18, 2014 11:36:04 GMT
Hmmm...bit much for me gents but I appreciate the reply!
Can this be the only thread so far where the doc hasn't had a hard time?!! Gotta be progress!
Thanks for that doc,I will read my way through that post and attempt to understand all of it - this is no reflection on your(excellent) post just me attempting to push my understanding a bit.
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Post by gazjam on Jul 18, 2014 18:22:45 GMT
The effects of bi-wiring are: LCR changes Resistance halves capacitance doubles inductance halves (realworld translation: sounds half as distorted and cloudy) This is the effect of making a double cable run (i.e biwiring) Sorry Richard, you summed it it brilliantly without even realising it! My take: biwiring can make an improvement, but not as much as getting better speaker cable in there in the first place - and it needn't be expensive)
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Post by MartinT on Jul 18, 2014 21:38:07 GMT
My take: biwiring can make an improvement, but not as much as getting better speaker cable in there in the first place - and it needn't be expensive) I totally agree.
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Post by ChrisB on Jul 18, 2014 22:21:26 GMT
Well, that last assessment is usually correct (and don't forget, I am so immune to cable discussions it's untrue). However, it's not unheard of for someone who has a 'better' cable in there to want a bit more. That bit more can, with the right speaker/amp combination, come from another set of cables.
Richard's position is correct in respect of ascertaining the actual effect of bi-wiring a particular speaker but that's more useful to someone who's developing a speaker cable or a speaker than it is to the owner of the speaker. Having the information in your possession though, is a good thing, as it gives you another flavour which you may prefer.
In my limited experience of bi-wiring, it's most usual that it makes almost no difference as to be not worth doing. But one or two speakers respond incredibly well to being bi- or tri-wired. The key thing is to live with the change for a few weeks and then go back and have a listen to the way things used to be. You might be surprised to find that what you thought was better was just different.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Jul 18, 2014 22:58:32 GMT
Well I'll have you all know that all of my wire is heterosexual..
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Post by gazjam on Jul 19, 2014 15:42:07 GMT
Aye, so you say...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 11:34:01 GMT
Last time i had a Bi-amp set up i used Kimber '8TC' for the Bottom end' '4TC' for the top end..
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