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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 18, 2017 15:35:19 GMT
Good mains cables make a difference. They have in any system I have put them in.
I found it hard to believe before I tried it. Then I was hooked.
Sometimes mains cables make a bigger difference than a kit upgrade.
For anyone who wonders or cannot get their head around this I am happy to play my system to them with a kettle lead then a variety of good mains cables. Pick your price level or levels. Let me know what music you want and mosey along to me in North West Surrey one afternoon.
May be able to take items of your kit.
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Post by John on Apr 18, 2017 16:48:37 GMT
I must admit to feeling totally confussed by the whole cable debate I would say that generally it makes a difference. But the Black Tulip has a very small cable directly connected into the amp and it sounds very good indeed.
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 18, 2017 16:53:25 GMT
IEC plugs and sockets are crap. I bet Mike would be surprised if he hard wired his best mains cable to his CD player.
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Post by John on Apr 18, 2017 16:56:47 GMT
Yes I tend to agree I think it be a big increase
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Post by julesd68 on Apr 18, 2017 18:34:28 GMT
I must admit to feeling totally confussed by the whole cable debate I would say that generally it makes a difference. But the Black Tulip has a very small cable directly connected into the amp and it sounds very good indeed. Yes I've got captive cables on both the pre and power - thanks Philips for removing any temptation to tinker ...
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 18, 2017 18:53:23 GMT
I must admit to feeling totally confussed by the whole cable debate I would say that generally it makes a difference. But the Black Tulip has a very small cable directly connected into the amp and it sounds very good indeed. Very small cables can be cut, IEC socket inserted and an improvement had with a good mains cable. Works on my Pioneer CD players
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 18, 2017 18:55:08 GMT
IEC plugs and sockets are crap. I bet Mike would be surprised if he hard wired his best mains cable to his CD player. I believe it. I'll do anything legal. Can't see that is
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 18, 2017 18:56:35 GMT
That defeats the object though Mike. Better to hard wire the entire cable and do away with the crappy plug and socket.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 18, 2017 18:57:18 GMT
I must admit to feeling totally confussed by the whole cable debate I would say that generally it makes a difference. But the Black Tulip has a very small cable directly connected into the amp and it sounds very good indeed. Yes I've got captive cables on both the pre and power - thanks Philips for removing any temptation to tinker ... Happy to chop your cable and insert an IEC
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Post by John on Apr 18, 2017 18:59:31 GMT
See it as the weakest link as IEC sockets Not having them their pays off
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 18, 2017 19:00:07 GMT
That defeats the object though Mike. Better to hard wire the entire cable and do away with the crappy plug and socket. Still makes an improvement Rewiring most of the insides of the kit will also help but not for me Mains cables give the legal improvement
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Post by John on Apr 18, 2017 19:03:19 GMT
Mike its just a poor connection for the power circuit to go through
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Post by MartinT on Apr 19, 2017 5:37:07 GMT
IEC plugs/sockets make at least as good a connection as a 13A plug/socket, if not tighter when you use good connectors.
Remember that mains treatments are synergistic to the whole: one solution (i.e. better power cables) only addresses a part of the whole. Get serious with treating every aspect of mains provision and you will be rewarded with SQ improvements that you could probably not achieve with just a component change.
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Post by John on Apr 19, 2017 6:30:44 GMT
From a purist perspective using the same cable is better than using an connector ?
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Post by Greg on Apr 19, 2017 8:22:46 GMT
Yes I've got captive cables on both the pre and power - thanks Philips for removing any temptation to tinker ... Happy to chop your cable and insert an IEC I would simply replace the captive cable with another captive cable of a better quality. I did this to good affect years ago on my old Marantz 6000KIS CDP. Also, to fit an IEC might be illegal. If it already has a captive lead, with allowance for the age of the amp, it indicates the unit may be class 2 double insulated construction under the regs. The presence of an IEC socket would suggest it is class 1 construction only. Whilst fitting an IEC socket to a double insulated item would not be unsafe, it could be misleading. Only relevant of course if you want to sell at a later date.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 19, 2017 8:37:09 GMT
My Pioneer Blu-ray player is double-insulated but features an IEC socket with only two pins. Horrible!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 9:35:03 GMT
I have been tempted to cut the captive cables on my Exposure amps but I am far too scared in case I damage them and also non-modified Exposure amps are more sort after when/if I come to sell them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 9:36:38 GMT
In terms of cable differences, I have heard differences, mostly improvements on each of the power cables I have used, although recently, I have noticed that I get even further improvements from interconnect cables than power cables, which is something I wasn't expecting.
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Post by Barrington on Apr 25, 2017 11:16:38 GMT
Slightly off topic , I'm using a Heed Orbit 2 speed controller/Power Supply unit on my Systemdek T/T , I had to replace the dek's 3 pin with a male IEC . Is there anything to gain by bypassing the dek's on/off switch and wire the internal mains cable direct to the motor as I no longer need the switch ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 11:33:23 GMT
I suspect not the actual cable but quality and cleanliness of the connectors. Of course with captive cables there is less to worry about. It's likely no coincidence that pricey cables have 'better' plugs and IEC sockets. A cheaper solution to interference picked up by the cable is a ferrite ring. Found these can benefit digital equipment.
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