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Post by brian2957 on Mar 23, 2017 21:56:40 GMT
Thanks Andy .
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Post by Stratmangler on Mar 30, 2017 10:52:58 GMT
I went past Ikea yesterday, and look what came home with me  I also bought a couple of packs of cork coasters, one pack for use as coasters, and the other pack to sit between the chopping block and the slate shelf beneath. The combined effects of setting things up betterer than wot they wuz before (ie everything set true before making sure the TT is also true led to a bit of a record playing marathon. All 4 MkII Deep Purple studio albums from 1970 - 1973, all recordings I know intimately, and I've never before heard so much detail. Hearing them for the first time back in 1973 was an eye opener, hearing these yesterday was a revelation. John Martyn's final, and sadly posthumous album - Willing To Work. What can I say about this? It's a great final album, from an artist who always walked his own path. Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sugar Sex Majik - there's so much going on that you can practically smell the band. All the digital renditions I've heard of this album do not do it justice. Something from Herbie Hancock that shall remain nameless for the time being  I finished off with Larry Coryell, with his "Return" album. APTITLIG certainly helps with my TT setup. Thanks for the heads up Andrew. |
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 30, 2017 13:50:09 GMT
I've no tt now, but it would be interesting to try under amps and DAC - I must plan a trip to IKEA!
Btw, Chris - I see you are using a Michell clamp? - have you tried any others? I had a clamp shoot-out a few years ago on a standard Techie 1210 and the Michell trailed in a solid last! - very dependent on tt though, I am sure, and your plumped up one may well react differently.
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Post by Stratmangler on Mar 30, 2017 14:40:06 GMT
I was using a Michell clamp until fairly recently.
It's sat there just because it sat in the same postion under the TT - I need to find a bag to pop it, and its felt washer into, and then get a small toolbox together for all things TT.
I'm not a fan of TT weights in general - they're not benign things, and I find they usually adversely affect tone and timing. The Michell didn't affect tone or timing.
A recent on/off test revealed that it does have an effect on dynamics (it flattens them by a tiny amount), but I wouldn't have detected that if I hadn't upgraded the drivers in my speakers to Alpair 7s.
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 30, 2017 14:52:56 GMT
OK.
My own experience is that clamps are pretty much always beneficial, mainly allowing more dynamic expression through, the exception being the Michell. I wasn't impressed by the Michell at all and actually disliked what it did to the sounnd rather than feeling it wasn't quite as good as others.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 30, 2017 20:37:32 GMT
Having had a Michell, I think the issue is the clamping mechanism and felt washer locking a volume of air under the record. Probably not a good thing.
I find my Stillpoints LPI really does the business, improving dynamics and fine detail.
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Post by The Brookmeister on Mar 30, 2017 21:14:39 GMT
These blocks are good but spikes are not the way forward IMO
They sound far better with sorbothane underneath in my system and some of my friends
Even better with townshends pods but that's a bit pricey!
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Post by The Brookmeister on Mar 30, 2017 21:15:49 GMT
I've no tt now, but it would be interesting to try under amps and DAC - I must plan a trip to IKEA! Btw, Chris - I see you are using a Michell clamp? - have you tried any others? I had a clamp shoot-out a few years ago on a standard Techie 1210 and the Michell trailed in a solid last! - very dependent on tt though, I am sure, and your plumped up one may well react differently. Next time your passing Mangler pop in and borrow some soft rubber pads to put underneath |
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Post by Greg on Mar 30, 2017 21:51:55 GMT
I've no tt now, but it would be interesting to try under amps and DAC - I must plan a trip to IKEA! Btw, Chris - I see you are using a Michell clamp? - have you tried any others? I had a clamp shoot-out a few years ago on a standard Techie 1210 and the Michell trailed in a solid last! - very dependent on tt though, I am sure, and your plumped up one may well react differently. The Michell clamps are principally designed to work with Michell platters. If they work outside of that parameter, it's a non-conformists bonus. Michell consider their platter, the record and clamp as an integral item. The material they make their platters out of, or at least their best platters is intended to replicate the constituency of the vinyl disc. Thus, a record on an Orbe constitutes one very thick platter of playable vinyl/carbon acrylic. Furthermore, the surface of their better platters are not flat but rather, sloping away from the spindle centre which Michell consider enhances replay performance. Michell clamps are designed to work exclusively with this styled platter. A Techie 1210 never ever entered their designing thinking!  |
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 30, 2017 22:04:56 GMT
Ah, OK. It certainly sounded bad!
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Post by ChrisB on Mar 30, 2017 22:24:25 GMT
The sermon which Greg has just delivered is the one that has come up in the several conversations I had with John Michell on this subject: By all means use the clamp on other turntables, but be prepared to search long and hard for the best platter & mat configuration. On Gyro and Orbe platters, it's part of a system.
Finally, just because someone who writes a lot of stuff on an internet forum uses (or used) one, don't think for a minute that it's a universal solution.
There is no such thing.
N.B. I have been using Michell clamps (both on and off Michell turntables) since the mid-1980s
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 30, 2017 23:22:11 GMT
I use my Michell clamp only with warped records and it does a fantastic job flattening these...
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Post by Rexton on Mar 31, 2017 9:45:30 GMT
So, it looks like the board was useful then ?
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Post by Stratmangler on Mar 31, 2017 15:05:46 GMT
The board is indeed useful.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 31, 2017 15:32:25 GMT
My Rega CD sits on Black Ravioli mark 3 pads on Steve's S1NX on RDC 4 2 part cones on a Creaktiv rack.
Can hear improvement with each level - crazy
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 31, 2017 15:37:47 GMT
These blocks are good but spikes are not the way forward IMO They sound far better with sorbothane underneath in my system and some of my friends Even better with townshends pods but that's a bit pricey! After being convinced by the Townshed wobbly speaker stands I wonder if wobbly is the way, or at least one of them. |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 31, 2017 15:57:40 GMT
I would say semi-wobbly works for me. Black Ravioli and RDC Cones are both in that category.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 31, 2017 16:00:05 GMT
Interestingly there are spiked RDC cones that I don't think have made it to the UK yet
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Post by The Brookmeister on Mar 31, 2017 19:20:07 GMT
Interestingly there are spiked RDC cones that I don't think have made it to the UK yet I sell RDC, Townshend, Sorbothane and various other isolation bits and bobs. Its easy to do comparisons and tests. Take a slab of perspex or wood or some other flat material with a bit of mass and put a headphone amplifier on it, listen to some tunes with the slab on the floor. Then listen with the slab sat on each material in turn, quite obvious differences. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 31, 2017 19:57:22 GMT
We're all ears, and eyes !
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