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Post by MartinT on Feb 8, 2017 8:13:25 GMT
The point is, these small changes take time to percolate into your awareness. Listening intently is the worst and most frustrating thing you can do. Just make the change, relax, enjoy the music. You will come to a realisation that you are either enjoying more of everything or that something is missing. This will tell you what you need to know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 10:23:55 GMT
Totally agree, I found with the MCRU and TQ cables for instance that there was a instant difference, but over time even more came to light, I was hearing things or tracks that I'd never heard before.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 20:07:59 GMT
What did you think at ASBO on the EWA cables?
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Post by MartinT on May 9, 2017 20:27:25 GMT
I thought the difference when we swapped from the Belkin cables to the EWA ones was quite marked.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 20:32:30 GMT
I agree with Martin, the difference between the Belkin and EWA cable was very obvious.
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Post by ChrisB on May 9, 2017 21:08:39 GMT
My ears were a bit blocked, but I thought I heard a good bit more bass but also a bit less treble. The Belkins aren't bright, so was this a 'tilt' in balance or filter effect?
No mischief intended Colin, those are the only words I can find to explain the possibilities of what I thought I heard.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 6:03:10 GMT
Maybe you heard the reverse the Belkin have no Bass and the EWA lets you hear a more balanced sound. ? Mischief YOU c,mon man all the time so the boss said he he  |
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Post by MartinT on May 10, 2017 6:09:03 GMT
It's hard to say for sure, Chris, but I didn't notice a drop in treble levels, just a better balance in the system.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 14:54:13 GMT
Balance is a good word, I would say that the system became more detailed but easier to listen to, so therefore the overall balance of the sound was better.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 10, 2017 16:40:10 GMT
A marked improvement over the first one
What is the price difference Colin and Chris ?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 12:35:30 GMT
Sorry Mike I have no clue, if you want the cable spec OK but price not a clue sorry. Maybe Sondale (Alan can tell us) please.
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Post by sondale on May 12, 2017 15:08:09 GMT
A marked improvement over the first one What is the price difference Colin and Chris ? The 3 metre pair of LS-25 cables (I have stopped calling them LS-XXV as it takes to long to say!) that we demo'd would set you back £576 - so I would imagine just a bit more (??) than the Belkin. That does of course include VAT. |
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Post by ChrisB on May 12, 2017 17:17:38 GMT
Quite a bit, yes! I don't know what the original price of the Belkins was. I've seen them sold for a huge range of prices but then, when I discovered them, they had been discontinued for some time and were being sold quite cheaply for clearance. I have three pairs and I think I paid £15 for the most expensive ones! John also has a pair and I think Ali Eduardo Wobblechops was using them for a long time before I was? |
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Post by Greg on May 12, 2017 22:17:58 GMT
Sorry, off topic rant. I could never imagine spending £500+ on speaker cables. So unnecessary in my experience. I'm still using my CAT5 based diy cables which cost me 3/6d that I've used for years with various home built valve amps and now with my Devialet Expert 220 Pro. I've tried loads of alternatives including expensive flavours, but none have bettered them. I know the engineers will say it's wrong (high capacitance) but, my amp isn't stressed And they simply sound the best. Far too much cable foo out there. About 15 years ago I swore I would never again use a commercial cable and would make all my own. Apart from a couple of optical cables, I've stuck to the pledge.
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Post by MartinT on May 13, 2017 8:22:19 GMT
If you hear no difference between cables, then I would suggest that your system lacks the resolution to hear those differences.
If, on the other hand, you have heard many cables and prefer the ones you use, then I can't argue with that!
For me, I wouldn't pay a penny more than I need to for the best speaker cables I can reasonably afford. I, too, have heard many (and used significantly more expensive ones in the past), but the Coherent 6D cables I'm using now are the best I've heard. Within the context of my system, they are reasonably priced.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 13, 2017 9:58:03 GMT
I tried TQ black and Ultra Black in my system as was. Heard no difference at all, in fact the Exposure was better in some respects. Naim 500 into late Isobariks. Upgrading various items in the system continued until the Belles Monoblocks arrived. Surprisingly they made no difference to sound quality, Exposure cable into Isobariks. Tony brought in first Auram Montans and then the TAD E-1s *Now* I could hear the difference - with a vengeance. I only had to spend a small fortune on speakers  |
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on May 13, 2017 14:37:49 GMT
Quite a bit, yes! I don't know what the original price of the Belkins was. I've seen them sold for a huge range of prices but then, when I discovered them, they had been discontinued for some time and were being sold quite cheaply for clearance. I have three pairs and I think I paid £15 for the most expensive ones! John also has a pair and I think Ali Eduardo Wobblechops was using them for a long time before I was? Yes used to use those, use this now, military suplus I believe, it's good stuff- www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301659644883?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT |
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Post by Stratmangler on May 13, 2017 20:10:44 GMT
Personally, I think there's something amiss when large sums of money are spent connecting speakers.
You know damn well that the recording studios wouldn't entertain the idea, so why should anyone else?
I've also heard humble 0.75mm² mains flex out perform mega bucks audiophile targeted cable. The flex was Yorkshire cable (Doncaster Cable, as it happens), but I don't think it being from Yorkshire imbues it with any special qualities.
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Post by The Brookmeister on May 13, 2017 22:26:06 GMT
I was thinking about the period in the 1980s when Hi-Fi Answers recommended solid core speaker cable - the thinner the better. Another flavour of the month that I never tried. Did anyone here try it and if so, what did you think? I used cooker cable for years in the 80's sounded great, solid core of course. Speaker cables are easy to compare on say a £50,000 system, not so on say a £1000 one its just no up to revealing the differences. |
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Post by Greg on May 14, 2017 7:22:46 GMT
Personally, I think there's something amiss when large sums of money are spent connecting speakers. You know damn well that the recording studios wouldn't entertain the idea, so why should anyone else? I've also heard humble 0.75mm² mains flex out perform mega bucks audiophile targeted cable. The flex was Yorkshire cable (Doncaster Cable, as it happens), but I don't think it being from Yorkshire imbues it with any special qualities. +1. Good realistic post. |
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