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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:10:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:19:18 GMT
Done with it all. I just bought some Cheap QED 'Silver Micro' a fiver a meter. My Expensive cable has long gone bye bye..
Sorry if all my posts on the subject seem negative but they are not meant to be.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2017 4:27:39 GMT
That's pretty much the scale of what some of us have been saying about the differences between cables. There are small but marked differences which can tune an already well performing system.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 10:30:30 GMT
What i find funny is people keep swapping & changing little things like Cables, Fuses, Isoltaion etc etc, claiming an improvement every time, so how not upto scratch can a system need to be when you keep hearing an improvement everytime you make a move??
When a speaker cable at £5 a Mtr sounds no different to me than the ones i had which is now £70 a Mtr & interconnects i use that i bought off the reel @ £1.50 a meter that sound no different to the ones ive sold at £100 a pair. It creates a giant chip on my shoulder & angers me the Money ive wasted over the years for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 10:39:35 GMT
What i find funny is people keep swapping & changing little things like Cables, Fuses, Isoltaion etc etc, claiming an improvement every time, so how not upto scratch can a system need to be when you keep hearing an improvement everytime you make a move?? When a speaker cable at £5 a Mtr & sounds no different to ones i had which is now £70 a Mtr & interconnects i use that i bought off the reel @ £1.50 a meter that sound no different to the ones ive sold at £100 a pair. It creates a giant chip on my shoulder & angers me the Money ive wasted over the years for nothing. Changes in wires are generally subtle but I have come across some cheapish ones that seriously strangle the sound. It's about not adding much if anything to the sound of the components, which is certainly not price related. I'm sure if you go up the range of a good sounding brand there will be some improvement depending how revealing the system is. More likely to be in terms of more extended frequencies than fundamentals to the presentation. I'm finding NVA cables let more of the music through, which is difficult to describe in traditional hi-f lingo. However most of their cables are not expensive in the world of hi-fi.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 10:47:55 GMT
My good sounding brand was the top of the range when i bought it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 11:25:36 GMT
I've heard cable some people consider 'World Class' which in my opinion was thin, sharp and unlistenable and other cable which wasn't considered anything special sound awesome. Some of it I guess is related to the system component your using I guess too.
I have certainly heard significant difference from cable changes.
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Post by julesd68 on Feb 5, 2017 11:46:39 GMT
I haven't heard any significant differences in speaker cable.
One thing I don't subscribe to is the 'thicker' is 'better' idea - monster girth cables like Sterling Black Mamba or VD 6mm didn't yield any improvements in my system. I've been using the Talk 3 cable for some time now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 11:48:46 GMT
FWIW I have heard fundamental differences with speaker cable. Often (although by no means always) more than amps or digital sources. Turntable arm and cartridge differences have probably been the biggest.
My thoughts on the various cables have been well documented here, but I'd say to anyone that it's worth trying different cables, especially if and when you change kit. If I had to recommend a "one size fits all" cable, I'd probably advise trying some used Linn K20 or some NVA LS2. Of course, personal taste also plays a part so universal recommendations are hard.
Edit: Slightky off topic but worth adding that I haven't usually heard anything like the same differences with interconnects. Sure, there are changes in tone, but it's more like a "Goldilocks" just rightness when you make the right choice. By far and away the best and the only cable to go beyond this was TIS. That had something else the others lacked..... Or maybe it was missing a drawback they all had.....
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 5, 2017 12:06:43 GMT
I tried various speaker cables and found most made no difference in the past. Changes in the rest of the system came through nicely then it stopped when I tried different power amps. Thanks to Tony's input I tried various answers with power amps, speakers and more cables. Turns out the components in the system, as was, held back the sound quality. With the right components there is quite definitely an improvement to be had with Coherent speaker cables. With the old components I did not hear any difference between speaker cables, with the exception of Exposure sounding better than Naim NACA5. Do speaker cables make a difference ? Depends. Cometh the system cometh the speaker cables
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 12:15:01 GMT
With the old components I did not hear any difference between speaker cables, with the exception of Exposure sounding better than Naim NACA5. Totally agree, you suggested Exposure cable for me and it was a massive upgrade on the Naim NAC A5 I had before.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 5, 2017 12:22:12 GMT
I was thinking about the period in the 1980s when Hi-Fi Answers recommended solid core speaker cable - the thinner the better. Another flavour of the month that I never tried. Did anyone here try it and if so, what did you think?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 12:27:04 GMT
I was thinking about the period in the 1980s when Hi-Fi Answers recommended solid core speaker cable - the thinner the better. Another flavour of the month that I never tried. Did anyone here try it and if so, what did you think? I tried it back then. It had a lovely clarity to it, but no drive. I'm sure it would have its applications. I always thought of (but never tried) solid core cable for the tweeters in a bi-amp system. DNM speaker cable (like NAC A5) is a pure rip-off at today's prices IMO. I think it was less than 2 quid a metre back then.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2017 12:50:46 GMT
A decent quality cable can be head and shoulders above the cheap crap that is supplied with components or the usual 'bell wire'. I would say that the NVA LSx series represents good value and is hard to beat, especially as you go up towards 6 & 7. TIS is also a superb interconnect cable. Above that it really takes some searching to find better, and they are never cheap. Coherent 6D is excellent speaker cable if your system has the resolution to benefit from it.
Nordost cables have never impressed me, having a family sound that I would describe as thin and edgy.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2017 12:53:18 GMT
I tried solid core for a while. Great in the midrange but a bit lacking at the frequency extremes. Fun to make using a hand drill from stripped T&E cable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 12:56:09 GMT
A decent quality cable can be head and shoulders above the cheap crap that is supplied with components or the usual 'bell wire'. I would say that the NVA LSx series represents good value and is hard to beat, especially as you go up towards 6 & 7. TIS is also a superb interconnect cable. Above that it really takes some searching to find better, and they are never cheap. Coherent 6D is excellent speaker cable if your system has the resolution to benefit from it. Nordost cables have never impressed me, having a family sound that I would describe as thin and edgy.I've only tried the interconnects but I'd agree with that. Maybe in a warm and slightly "tubby" system they would work but not with the gear I had.
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Post by John on Feb 5, 2017 13:05:10 GMT
I really liked the NVA speaker cable I tried in my system and remember writing a positive review at the time. In the past I not heard to many differences unless compairing to cheaper or harsh sounding cables
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Post by Chris on Feb 5, 2017 22:49:45 GMT
Synergy is the word here. Some cables sound better with components than others and there's some that don't. I reckon I've found a great mix for my amp and speakers that sounds superb and offers outstanding value so no changes for me.
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Post by steveeb on Feb 7, 2017 10:42:49 GMT
Synergy is the word here. Some cables sound better with components than others and there's some that don't. I reckon I've found a great mix for my amp and speakers that sounds superb and offers outstanding value so no changes for me. Absolutely Chris! The speaker cable is the completion of an electrical circuit between amp and speakers and 'performance' depends on the properties of both. Thin solid core usually suits wideband single drivers where it offers some additional resistance, missing from the absence of crossover components and can have the opposite effect of that experienced with more complex speakers. Depends on the output character of the amp of course, but I imagine the majority of amps are designed and tuned with multi-way speakers. IMHO the exceptional cables are those which either suit a high number of combinations or a limited number exceptionally well.
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Post by puffin on Feb 8, 2017 7:50:16 GMT
I suffered greatly years ago from "listener expectation" and years later came to the conclusion that I was in fact listening too hard. You know new interconnects, or speaker cable that have had rave reviews......Are You Ready....(alertness Klaxon going off in head AWROOGHHH.....AWROOGGHH)........ I went through a whole plethora of cheap and expensive cables. I think it is Synergy that is the key. You never know Bell-Wire might be the new black
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