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Post by native on Jan 26, 2017 15:37:57 GMT
Not a huge amount, but large enough, it seems I’m due to pay the tax office some money due to a genuine oversight on my part in tax year 2015 and 16. Waiting for the final bill before I discuss ‘a payment plan’, but was just wondering if anyone had any experience/dealings of such a situation, and if so, how they found it?
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Post by Slinger on Jan 26, 2017 16:04:05 GMT
What might be worth your while is a quick call to Citizens Advice, who could probably offer some professional advice about how much to offer. I think what you need is to sort out a "time to pay" agreement with HMRC but please don't take advice about financial matters from a hifi forum.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 26, 2017 16:18:49 GMT
Agreed, you need to seek professional advice. What I do know is that if you are reasonable, the tax people are usually open to a repayment plan.
Good luck with it.
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 26, 2017 18:08:03 GMT
........please don't take advice about financial matters from a hifi forum. ;) Except for that extremely wise piece of advice! Good luck with it.
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Post by pinkie on Jan 26, 2017 18:34:38 GMT
First, you need to establish whether our chums at hmrc are correct in their assessment. They are better than they used to be on simple matters but still have a staggering error rate. 2016 year is still "live" and you can just file an amended online return for 2015 until Tuesday next week. Assuming you agree their assessment, the best thing is to agree a direct debit for a comfortably affordable amount. If they have a dd in place, they tick an important box, and worry about others instead. If you pm me I can at least point you in the right direction
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Post by Sovereign on Jan 26, 2017 19:40:35 GMT
Good advice pinkie, this thread is your domain. I have had a few tax troubles in the past and they are usually understanding.
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Post by native on Jan 26, 2017 20:59:26 GMT
Many thanks Pinkie! On way out, put will PM you tomorrow.
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Post by The Brookmeister on Jan 26, 2017 22:32:46 GMT
Not a huge amount, but large enough, it seems I’m due to pay the tax office some money due to a genuine oversight on my part in tax year 2015 and 16. Waiting for the final bill before I discuss ‘a payment plan’, but was just wondering if anyone had any experience/dealings of such a situation, and if so, how they found it? They are humans just like us with wives and husbands and kids. Not monsters or robots. As long as you agree to pay the money in a timely manner they will accept it IME.
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Post by pinkie on Jan 27, 2017 8:02:45 GMT
Not a huge amount, but large enough, it seems I’m due to pay the tax office some money due to a genuine oversight on my part in tax year 2015 and 16. Waiting for the final bill before I discuss ‘a payment plan’, but was just wondering if anyone had any experience/dealings of such a situation, and if so, how they found it? They are humans just like us with wives and husbands and kids. Not monsters or robots. As long as you agree to pay the money in a timely manner they will accept it IME. David I know what you mean. HMRC are staffed by the same mixed bag as any organisation, and many of them decent helpful people that I have dealt with recently. But they are demoralised, overworked, suffering progressive staff shortages, and inadequate IT(1). Although the Treasury Select committee recently told HMRC their proposals for "Making Tax Digital" are f***ing mental (I paraphrase slightly) - the expectation is that they will go ahead regardless. Their approach to consultation is to carry out extensive meetings with knowledgeable 3rd parties like my own ICAEW, and then completely ignore the feedback and go ahead anyway. As individuals, they are (mostly) lovely people. As an organisation they are near collapse and very much systemised robots. As an example, I have a client (now) - sister of a school friend, made redundant at age 60 from her post as head of childrens social services , after a lifetime with the employer received a package which included early retirement and involved large payments by her local authority employer into her government pension scheme, which resulted in HER exceeding her annual allowances including carry forward on pension contributions - even though the contributions were made by her employer as part of a redundancy package. She accordingly had a liability for income tax on this, which the employer (pension scheme) offered to pay on her behalf and which she accepted, and they paid. However, she should have disclosed this on a tax return and didn't, and the tax was calculated at 40% and some should have been at 45% and she owed them another £6k. The Inspector dealing with it was charming, sensitive and caring, especially when I responded to his urgent request for a call back from the car park of the oncology ward where I was about to visit my sisters boyfriend shortly before he died of cancer. "Take your time - respond when its all sorted". I did, it was sorted, and my client has paid the tax. HMRC have imposed a 15% penalty for a careless error (the minimum penalty they can impose) and declined to suspend the penalty. For careless errors only, HMRC can suspend a penalty for 2 years on the basis that the taxpayer undertakes to take steps to avoid careless errors in the future. I quote from the inspectors letter "When deciding if a penalty can be suspended it is necessary for you to devise conditions that will ensure you do not make ANY FUTURE MISTAKE on a return. However, any conditions must be ...SMART ... strictly suspension is not about avoiding the same mistake... consequently it is not possible to suspend the penalty if no realistic future careless inaccuracy can be identified" (my emphases) This is of course bollocks - and the recent case at the first tier tribunal (June 2016) is "Steady" which addresses precisely this point. The Inspectors letter is dated 9 January 2017 They ARE ROBOTS. Nice people - but ROBOTS. (1) They have a new system which allows me to read information they hold about a taxpayer. Particularly state pension, which the doddery old codgers usually get wrong, and HMRC subsequently correct. This "helpful information" was missing in 50% of cases it should have been there, and comically inaccurate on 90% of the rest.
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Post by Chris on Jan 29, 2017 9:27:54 GMT
Tax repayments eh.... So my tax was sky high. Phoned up and found out they had me earning £100k pa!!! I then asked "Right,lets go through this so EVERYTHING is correct" which they did. Got that sorted out then got a wee bit tax back off them due to that error. Couple of weeks goes by and I then receive a bill for £750 from them! I call them and say How can I have ANY confidence in this being right seeing as you had everything else wrong? Just pay it came the answer. Bloody dreadful in that case.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 11:55:38 GMT
One of the reasons i packed up being self employed was because they were always getting my Tax wrong. Just aint worth the crap imho.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 12:28:24 GMT
The system is way too complex for most people to follow properly, as a chartered accountant I find it tricky! The self assessment website is fairly good to the extent that the legislation allows, but the rules are too complicated. It is very difficult for self employed people to navigate through even the basic points. When I was contracting I used an umbrella company called Parasol and they were excellent.
To improve the system, getting rid of National Insurance would be my first step. The charity I volunteer for employs 4 people and it's a nightmare to try and keep up with the rule changes. Taxing income and capital gains at the same rate would also make sense to me, but no Chancellor is brave enough to reform the system.
The only time I had a query from HMRC they sent it too late (more than a year) and I was not obliged to answer it.
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Post by Slinger on Jan 29, 2017 13:19:10 GMT
I have to say that during my I.T contracting days I happily took the payment route that allowed agencies to charge me a premium for handling all of the financials. I felt, and still do, that it was well worth the time and effort it saved me. It would have taken a Hell of a contract to make me go properly self-employed.
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