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Post by MartinT on Apr 22, 2018 12:12:06 GMT
It was a power cable that Alan tried, Roger.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 12:13:44 GMT
Today I noticed extra flesh on the midrange of my sound. Nothing has changed in my system for a while so I’m wondering if they done their last bit of opening up. There’s more presence and immediacy to the whole frequency range (don’t read forwardness, this is a positive change). The quality of aural delusion is that what is heard is the real thing. The undeluded also know the sound of the real thing. Both ultimately will be happy with what they hear. The difference is it just costs a bit more to enjoy your music if you are delusionally afflicted. Other than that, there is no difference. This actually made me lol. Thank you for stating your opinion as fact at me; I feel I’ve benefitted from the attention, however fleeting, of a being many times smarter than myself. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 12:15:55 GMT
Today I noticed extra flesh on the midrange of my sound. Nothing has changed in my system for a while so I’m wondering if they done their last bit of opening up. There’s more presence and immediacy to the whole frequency range (don’t read forwardness, this is a positive change). As I listen to the same CDs for a while I find much the same. Knowing the albums well I often stop and realise there has been a step up in sound quality that has crept up on me. This is it; I didn’t do any critical listening per se, it dawned on me it was sounding fundamentally (albeit subtly) different. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 22, 2018 12:29:54 GMT
As I listen to the same CDs for a while I find much the same. Knowing the albums well I often stop and realise there has been a step up in sound quality that has crept up on me. This is it; I didn’t do any critical listening per se, it dawned on me it was sounding fundamentally (albeit subtly) different. Good init ?  Like a freebie you didn't know was coming |
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Post by TheMooN on Apr 22, 2018 12:42:30 GMT
It was a power cable that Alan tried, Roger. Fitted with an aftermarket fuse Martin ? Otherwise I don't really see the connection to this specific thread. |
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Post by Slinger on Apr 22, 2018 13:42:30 GMT
Accusing another member of being 'delusionally afflicted' is insulting. I'm sure we made it clear that if you haven't tried one, your opinion is worthless.I wonder if it wouldn't be better to rephrase that slightly. There are many things that I haven't tried but have an opinion on. Stating a "certainty" without, empirical evidence, however, is usually worthless. Surely, anyone should be allowed to believe that fuses don't make a difference, just not to state it for a fact, or insult anyone whilst giving that opinion. Repeating that same opinion over and over again is just bloody boring by the way. This thread would probably have been dead, or at least much less commented upon if people who have negative opinions stated them, moved on, and just sat back and watched the pro-fuse brigade post. A bit like a zoo, don't feed or poke the animals, just enjoy looking at them. Sorry, I do realise that could be construed as a bit rude, but I couldn't think of a better way to put it. My personal opinion is that a fuse should not make a huge, or massive, or 'mahooosive' difference to what is, to me at least, an inordinately expensive pre-existing system that until that 'fuse' moment had been the dog's bollocks. But it's an opinion. I'd never seek to tell anyone that their new fuse can't make such a difference because, for starters, I have no idea of how bad, or good, their system was in its pre-new-fuse state. And even 'bad' and 'good' are simply subjective values. One man's meat.. and all that. Anyway, that's my opinion. I see no reason to repeat it because it is here in perpetuity (or until it gets deleted  ) for all to see. Opinions should always be OK, or this and every other forum might as well cease to exist. At best they would become ghost towns with the occasional bit of tumbleweed rolling through them. Of course, members of both camps posting comments that are designed to do nothing but "wind up" the opposition doesn't help.  |
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 22, 2018 15:53:45 GMT
An opinion voiced once is ok. As you say Paul, repeating that opinion ad infinitum is boring.
Insulting members is out of order.
My first tweak started a few years ago when it was suggested that speaker cables could make a difference.
At the time I thought - Yes, maybe but cannot be much.
Next for me came a Sound org table which I did *not* want to buy, but I did when I heard it make the sound better. Damn.
Negative expectation bias overturned
Each new peripheral is now approached with a 'maybe, I'll try it'
Some of the peripheral tweaks have had more effect - at that point in my system's development - than kit itself.
I'm still amazed that tweaks like fuses can have such a difference - again - at that point in my system's development.
Normal people, even those with reasonable systems, who have not tried these tweaks must think us sad, mad, too much money, easily led etc.
But
I have surprised quite a few 'normal' people.
They believed what they heard at the time.
Perhaps they went away and thought it was smoke and mirrors or the audio equivalent.
We could do with punters who have tried fuses and other and found no difference.
We also need to at least know their kit.
I saw someone, in another place, who tried a tweak and found it didn't work.
Then I saw his kit list. Dear oh dear. No wonder.
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Post by zappytheviking on Apr 22, 2018 16:16:09 GMT
I have been approaching my doubts by DIYing power leads. I managed to prove to myself that it does make a very noticeable difference. Started with a stripped standard lead, removed the plastic, twisted the leads and added a copper mesh shield. Made the sound way worse, smaller sound stage, darker, transients lost the punch. Few days ago found some leftover in wall solid core 2.5mm lead,again copper mesh shield attached to wall plug, silly amount of change. Much brighter, mid and highs changed so much, almost too sharp, bass was snappier too. Settled down after a few days and remains connected to power amp. Using the same quality lead that is in the wall or better makes logical sense to me. I expect fuses to give similar benefit, maybe start at the cheaper end, silver plated Bussman fuses 5-6£. mcru.co.uk/product-category/diy-componants/fuses/?orderby=price&v=f003c44deab6 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 16:28:06 GMT
Ain't no love in the heart of the city, (not on this thread)
Ain't no love in the heart of town, (just near Reading Town)
Ain't no love and it's sure is a pity, cuz audiophile fuses are around.
Ain't no love cause your fuses ain't around.
Ain't no love in the heart of the city, (unless your SR BLUE witty)
Ain't no love in the heart of town, (maybe beeswax ultimate can cure you around)
Ain't no love, sure 'nuff is a pity, due to greggly wonky being around
Ain't no love 'cause your fuses ain't around
Fuses, since you been around (not on this thread)
Ain't no love in the heart of the city (just near Reading Town)
Ain't no love in the heart of town cuz audiophile fuses are around
Ain't no love, sure 'nuff is a pity, child due to greggly wonky being around
Ain't no love 'cause your fuses ain't around
Every place that I go the fuses Well, they seem so strangely ordinary,
Without you love, baby, baby I would just go insane
Things have changed, since the stock fuses have gone,
Why know the sun now shines, From the city hall To the Berkshire county line, that's why.......
Ain't no love in the heart of the city (not on this thread)
Ain't no love in the heart of town (just near Reading Town)
Ain't no love, sure 'nuff is a pity
Ain't no love 'cause you ain't around, due to greggly wonky being around
Now listen (to the fuses)
Every place that I go, Well, it seems so strange Without you love of fuses baby, baby
I'm losing my mind
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 16:36:08 GMT
I've been mistreated, I've been Mis-fused,
I've been struck downhearted, baby, I've been Mis-fused
'Cause I know, yes, I know I've been mistreated by the nva crew
Since my stock fuses left me I've been losing my mind, you know I have
I've been lonely (with out SR), I've been cold
I've been looking for a SR Blue to have and hold so strongly baby
'Cause I know, yes, I know I've been mistreated and been Mis-fused
Since my stock fuses left me I've been losing, I've been losing,
I've been losing my mind, fuse, fuse fusey
I've been mistreated, I've been Mis-fused
I've been looking for a SR Blue, yeah, I've been totally Misfused
'Cause I know, yes, I know I've been Mis-fused, ooh oh
Since my stock fuses left me I've been losing, losing,
I've been losing my mind, fuse, fuse fusey
Oh oh oh, oh SR Blue, oh SR Blue, oh SR Blue
Fuses I've been losing my mind
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Post by zappytheviking on Apr 22, 2018 16:37:21 GMT
Every time I try to leave
Something keeps pullin' me back, me back
Tellin' me I need you in my life
Every time I try to go
Something keeps tellin' me that, me that
Everything gon' be all rightEvery time I try to leave
Something keeps pullin' me back, me back
Tellin' me I need you in my life
It was meant to be, you were meant for me
So that means we gotta make it work
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Post by MartinT on Apr 22, 2018 17:05:28 GMT
...and we've segued directly into the alternative lyrics thread!
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Post by The Brookmeister on Apr 22, 2018 17:32:37 GMT
Tony you have missed your vocation old chap, poet in the ranks.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 22, 2018 17:45:09 GMT
Surely, anyone should be allowed to believe that fuses don't make a difference, just not to state it for a fact, or insult anyone whilst giving that opinion. Repeating that same opinion over and over again is just bloody boring by the way. . . . Of course, members of both camps posting comments that are designed to do nothing but "wind up" the opposition doesn't help. Thanks for your thoughts, Paul. You have it in one. My equally straightforward responses are: - We have never minded any member saying that x upgrade doesn't do anything for them. It's all experience, after all - We mind very much a member who makes statements calling into question other people's sanity/parentage/shilling/whatever - Many of the above statements are designed to troll - Such members will be or have been evicted |
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 22, 2018 18:11:22 GMT
I have been approaching my doubts by DIYing power leads. I managed to prove to myself that it does make a very noticeable difference. Started with a stripped standard lead, removed the plastic, twisted the leads and added a copper mesh shield. Made the sound way worse, smaller sound stage, darker, transients lost the punch. Few days ago found some leftover in wall solid core 2.5mm lead,again copper mesh shield attached to wall plug, silly amount of change. Much brighter, mid and highs changed so much, almost too sharp, bass was snappier too. Settled down after a few days and remains connected to power amp. Using the same quality lead that is in the wall or better makes logical sense to me. I expect fuses to give similar benefit, maybe start at the cheaper end, silver plated Bussman fuses 5-6£. mcru.co.uk/product-category/diy-componants/fuses/?orderby=price&v=f003c44deab6Used it myself many years ago. So far as I know however it is illegal in the UK and quite likely in Viking territory too ! Insurance may be invalidated. Found even cheap Kimber cable outperformed it anyway. Have a look around for cable like Furukawa which you can DIY with the right plugs on each end of course |
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Post by zappytheviking on Apr 22, 2018 20:30:33 GMT
Thanks Mike, good to hear from experience that there is more. Usually order my parts from audiophonics in France. Been eyeing these bits for weeks, agonizing if its worth spending 150-200€ on a power cord. These look like they could do the job, Plug , DIN and cable. Legalities will have to take the sidelines until experimentation proves a concept. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 22, 2018 20:40:02 GMT
Cannot 100% guarantee you will hear improvements with an upgraded cable - but - I would be very surprised if you didn't.
Furutech or Wattgate seem to be favourites in the UK.
They must do Schuko.
If you are ordering from France can the UK or other match or beat the prices ?
How about Ebay ?
That's where I bought all my early try out cables from.
Usually around a third full retail
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Post by zappytheviking on Apr 22, 2018 21:46:54 GMT
True, if it keeps current improvement I will be happy to have paid for the pretty. If I get more, happy times. Seems well priced, not much difference when it comes to Ebay. Could get away a little cheaper with a furukawa from china. |
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Post by The Brookmeister on Apr 22, 2018 22:00:06 GMT
True, if it keeps current improvement I will be happy to have paid for the pretty. If I get more, happy times. Seems well priced, not much difference when it comes to Ebay. Could get away a little cheaper with a furukawa from china. You honestly think that's genuine Furukawa cable for £45 for 1 metre including plugs? |
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Post by zappytheviking on Apr 22, 2018 22:21:16 GMT
I have my doubts. Audiphonics I trust, random Ebay seller, not quite as much. Also the word China adds to that :-)
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