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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 14:05:54 GMT
Cables, Racks, feet, etc.etc. Is it ever thus in such matters WC, however do note that this is yet another respondant that has NOT physically assessed the product in person, ergo an entirely worthless point of view let alone reference. I am still really interested in your “reference”. If there was a way to do “blind test” at the ASBO then I for one would be interested to hear the results. It is a little far for me to come and do it though, which is a shame as I won’t get to hear what they do. |
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 22, 2018 17:26:51 GMT
WC....And wider membership, As I have pointed out several times across two disparate threads, the manufacturers and by extension their dealer network offer an 30 day return, for full refund, policy With these fuses.
I really do not comprehend why any interested party, either objectively sceptical or subjectively minded would not wish to avail themselves of this facility , if nothing else to place context and gravitas behind any subsequent commentary on this subject, either positive or negative.
Forget the UK 13 amp UK mains and look to ones ' most ' potentially sonically influential item of equipment, I would recommend Source or Pre order the internal mains power rail fuse pertinant and conduct whatever experimentation you have most faith in.
FFS....IT WILL COST YOU NOTHING ,ZIP, NADA, other than a few hours of listening time and either couple of £/€/$ return postage or..........£130
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 22, 2018 17:27:24 GMT
No problem Someone can record it on their phone !  |
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Post by Chris on Feb 22, 2018 18:18:27 GMT
I'm with wonkycustard here. Blind test then pack this thread in.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 22, 2018 18:24:00 GMT
I'm with wonkycustard here. Blind test then pack this thread in. Why not conduct that test for yourself and report back with your OWN findings Chris, anything else is pointless speculation, No ? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 18:32:34 GMT
FFS....IT WILL COST YOU NOTHING ,ZIP, NADA, other than a few hours of listening time and either couple of £/€/$ return postage or..........£130 So which is it, it will cost me nothing or it will cost me? What happens if one of these hyper sensitive (according to audigon) was to blow during my trial? Personally I will have a negative expectation bias, and will not be willing to listen for over a hundred hours as the fuse “burns in” or I get accustomed to the sound it makes and convince myself it is burn in.... But that is a completely different subject. |
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 22, 2018 19:01:21 GMT
FFS....IT WILL COST YOU NOTHING ,ZIP, NADA, other than a few hours of listening time and either couple of £/€/$ return postage or..........£130 So which is it, it will cost me nothing or it will cost me? What happens if one of these hyper sensitive (according to audigon) was to blow during my trial? Personally I will have a negative expectation bias, and will not be willing to listen for over a hundred hours as the fuse “burns in” or I get accustomed to the sound it makes and convince myself it is burn in.... But that is a completely different subject. It would only cost you something (not insignificant) were you to keep the thing WC. Thankfully in my expeariance and in this instance hundreds of hours will not be required for you to form your OWN opinion of these. |
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Post by Chris on Feb 22, 2018 19:12:10 GMT
I'm with wonkycustard here. Blind test then pack this thread in. Why not conduct that test for yourself and report back with your OWN findings Chris, anything else is pointless speculation, No ? This whole thread is bloody pointless and is simply annoying. Set up blind tests at the ASBO and settle it. Its like that stupid BBC ad where the guys in VR glasses and says "I can feel the heat off that light sabre" Some people buy into it some don't. Simple. |
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Post by Chris on Feb 22, 2018 19:16:32 GMT
On the subject of my own tests,I did change fuses due to threads like this. I can't go £130 but did buy silver plated fuses - not sure how much difference it made but at £3.66 for 3 it was worth trying.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 22, 2018 19:27:01 GMT
On the subject of my own tests,I did change fuses due to threads like this. I can't go £130 but did buy silver plated fuses - not sure how much difference it made but at £3.66 for 3 it was worth trying. Chris, It would cost you FUCK ALL other than a couple of quid return postage to try these for up to 30 days ! I would much rather Read your own considerations Pro or Neg, and of wonkies , even Pinkies God help me!!!! than continuously field questions and offer up my own subjective considerations . |
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Post by Chris on Feb 22, 2018 19:29:31 GMT
I bought an AR07 amp for £100. That's the sort of difference I'd expect for that kind of money.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 22, 2018 19:38:18 GMT
I bought an AR07 amp for £100. That's the sort of difference I'd expect for that kind of money Then you might me amazed how excellently that AR07 might!?!?! Perform without that POS bussman fuse up its ass, however it seems that you are unwilling to try. |
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Post by Chris on Feb 22, 2018 19:42:35 GMT
No - I AM willing to try which is why I did. As I've said though -IMO - £130 for a fuse is madness so I won't go that far.
To reiterate how I feel - some people will hear a difference,some won't. Some won't but will tell you they do others will and tell you they don't.
There's a lot to this hifi thing
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 22, 2018 19:54:31 GMT
My apologies Chris as you have been open minded enough to experiment in the past, however as with all things such as valves, Cables, Coke, Wine , Cars etc.etc you get what you pay for, and there are decidedly aftermarket fuses and there are Aftermarket fuses.
I have experimented with a number of other brands, mostly at a much lower price of entry and have been quite underwhelmed, it has only been since borrowing my first SR Red fuse from a friend, at an RRT that I would not have otherwise considered, that matters Have changed for me.
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Post by Chris on Feb 22, 2018 20:02:49 GMT
No probs! However....I disagree. Hifi is one of quite a few areas where you DONT get what you pay for. There's another thread that deals with marketing etc etc and that covers this point quite well.
My viewpoint is that there are proper bargains to be had in hifi - real hidden gems - and finding and using them is what I'm about.
Or used to be,packed it all in now as my systems sorted.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 22, 2018 20:26:18 GMT
Thank goodness - a proper discussion about fuses!!  |
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Post by nrg on Feb 22, 2018 22:56:44 GMT
No - I AM willing to try which is why I did. As I've said though -IMO - £130 for a fuse is madness so I won't go that far. To reiterate how I feel - some people will hear a difference,some won't. Some won't but will tell you they do others will and tell you they don't. There's a lot to this hifi thing ...or another way simply replace the equipment fuse with a copper link and see if it makes a difference...as a test, if it does then investigate one of these fuses. Its quite simple. I tried the mains plug fuse swap as above and it didn’t work for me but YMMV... |
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Post by Chris on Feb 23, 2018 3:50:21 GMT
Nope just not going down that path I’m afraid. Too much hassle not enough reward.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 6:32:54 GMT
Out of interest, have you only replaced the plug fuses, or have you done the internal fuses as well?
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Post by MartinT on Feb 23, 2018 6:34:48 GMT
Who are you asking? I'm going to be looking at my internal preamp and power amp fuses at some point.
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