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Post by jayman67 on Dec 6, 2016 20:15:54 GMT
mine has become brittle and wont stay flat,if anyone has one or knows where i can pick one up please let me know,it must be in very good condition and the same type as mine in the photo. thanks guys  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 21:04:53 GMT
Are the 1970's PL12, PL51 etc deck the same mat with a different aluminium ring?
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Post by jayman67 on Dec 7, 2016 16:42:57 GMT
im not sure,yeah pl-71 is the same,there are other pl mats about but nothing like mine
i might consider gluing mine down with pva adhesive,i tried double sided tape but it didnt hold the platter rom moving for long.
i dont know what its made off,some sort of plastic by the looks of it,if its put in hot water it becomes very pliable
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 17:00:07 GMT
Rubber tends to harden with age. There are a few videos online showing that it can be softened again by immersion in a combination of either Isopropyl Alcohol or Xylene together with oil of wintergreen. Worth watching a few Youtubes and maybe giving it a go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 18:05:25 GMT
im not sure,yeah pl-71 is the same,there are other pl mats about but nothing like mine PL51 is the same apart from a different colour ring. |
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Post by jayman67 on Dec 7, 2016 18:23:59 GMT
Rubber tends to harden with age. There are a few videos online showing that it can be softened again by immersion in a combination of either Isopropyl Alcohol or Xylene together with oil of wintergreen. Worth watching a few Youtubes and maybe giving it a go. yep,ive just soaked the mat in near boiling water and it goes back to be very rubbery,then gets hard again,ive just ordered some winter green oil to give that a go. cheers for the tip  |
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Post by jayman67 on Dec 7, 2016 18:24:44 GMT
im not sure,yeah pl-71 is the same,there are other pl mats about but nothing like mine PL51 is the same apart from a different colour ring. nice one,i'll put that on the ebay watch list,ta |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 19:09:19 GMT
Rubber tends to harden with age. There are a few videos online showing that it can be softened again by immersion in a combination of either Isopropyl Alcohol or Xylene together with oil of wintergreen. Worth watching a few Youtubes and maybe giving it a go. yep,ive just soaked the mat in near boiling water and it goes back to be very rubbery,then gets hard again,ive just ordered some winter green oil to give that a go. cheers for the tip IIRC it's something like 3 parts isoprop/xylene and 1 part wintergreen oil. They use these on rubber motor parts that have hardened with age, so it might just work. |
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Post by jayman67 on Dec 7, 2016 19:26:38 GMT
fingers crossed,i dont want to give up on this mat as ive tried 4 different ones and none of them are as good as the original pioneer one.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Dec 7, 2016 19:37:42 GMT
You want a Linn felt mat, man.
Bound to sound better.
Bound to.
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Post by jayman67 on Dec 7, 2016 19:42:28 GMT
you can stick that one up your Khyber! lol
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Post by Mr Whippy on Dec 7, 2016 20:17:10 GMT
You try and help people, and what do you get? What do you get?
Looking on the 'net, that wintergreen's supposed to be somewhat toxic. Said to be effective, though.
Another is to spray with silicone spray and place I an airtight bag for 3-7 days, checking for suppleness, and when achieved, place in boiling water.
Another is microwave at 5 second stages. I'd want to try this with something that could be sacrificed first.
A Linn feltie would be a lot less hassle, though - and bound to sound better.
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Post by jayman67 on Dec 7, 2016 20:26:54 GMT
trust me it doesn't,ive got one here,the trouble is the platter rings like a bell,with the original mat its as dead as a dodo,ive also tried linn/reso mat combo and also a space deck mat,none of them are as good as the oem one. re the winter green oil ive also read its very toxic,i'll try some on the dog first ive given the mat in the meantime a good spray with mr sheen,that has slowed the return back to hardness down an made it more supple |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 20:44:29 GMT
You try and help people, and what do you get? What do you get?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 20:53:21 GMT
trust me it doesn't,ive got one here,the trouble is the platter rings like a bell,with the original mat its as dead as a dodo,ive also tried linn/reso mat combo and also a space deck mat,none of them are as good as the oem one. re the winter green oil ive also read its very toxic,i'll try some on the dog first ive given the mat in the meantime a good spray with mr sheen,that has slowed the return back to hardness down an made it more supple I tend to agree about the felt mat. I use a rubber mat on my LP12 as I prefer the sound (plus no issue with static). You could maybe try moisturiser or leather cream on the rubber and see if that helps? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 19:43:09 GMT
The early rubber Linn/Rega Mat is a good un.
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Post by jayman67 on Dec 9, 2016 17:19:37 GMT
well believe it or not i found on the web that wintergreen oil has the same chemical in it as aspirin!
so last night i went over the chemist and bought 4 boxes and put them in some hot water and let the mat simmer for an hour and a half,well its worked to a degree,its about 50% better than before and still the same tonight.
my wintergreen oil has turned up so i going to do the same with that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 20:17:12 GMT
Not much of an Headache after all  |
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Post by jayman67 on Dec 9, 2016 20:39:21 GMT
ha ha no for at least 6 months! well the water/wintergreen oil has done the trick,it is back to being like a rubber mat should be,floppy and black,not ridged and dark grey. it has worked a treat! very happy chappy |
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