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Post by John on Mar 30, 2017 18:17:47 GMT
James when you ready come around for a visit and I set up my turntable so you can compare to a good server I still say you going to have to spend a lot of money to get close to your digital set up Martins system has his Cd player and Turntable pretty close and with his system. Mine would be a bit closer with a better cartridge and phono stage but still sounds very good
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Post by orbscure on Mar 30, 2017 18:59:35 GMT
That Thorens looks absolutely gorgeous - I can see a Hana SL and is that a Jelco with an extra weight on? Many thanks Jules, it certainly has reignighted my interest in vinyl, something which I didn't think would happen after the disappointment of my previous deck... and that's why I still think there is hope for James. Its the records themselves which cause me the biggest headache and even with one of the lower priced dedicated cleaners, you sometimes need the patience of a saint to get the best out of the format. I can also fully understand why James is frustrated with the format, especially with the proliferation of and ease of use with hi-res files. But when you get a good clean slab of vintage vinyl, boy, can it sound good. In my system, it can sound as good as, and sometimes better than, a flac file. There is also something perversely satisfying about all the effort (or faffing) needed to get the best out of vinyl
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Post by John on Mar 30, 2017 19:12:34 GMT
I heard James system a few times and with the upgrades to his DDAC it will not be cheap to get a TT in the same ball park
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Post by ChrisB on Mar 30, 2017 19:39:09 GMT
Yes, what on earth is going on with that bearing housing?!
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 30, 2017 20:33:07 GMT
That Thorens looks absolutely gorgeous - I can see a Hana SL and is that a Jelco with an extra weight on? Its the records themselves which cause me the biggest headache and even with one of the lower priced dedicated cleaners, you sometimes need the patience of a saint to get the best out of the format. I can also fully understand why James is frustrated with the format, especially with the proliferation of and ease of use with hi-res files. But when you get a good clean slab of vintage vinyl, boy, can it sound good. In my system, it can sound as good as, and sometimes better than, a flac file. There is also something perversely satisfying about all the effort (or faffing) needed to get the best out of vinyl Yep vinyl sure is challenging! It's a constant battle to get the best out of it but when you hit pay dirt there is nothing like it for me. Finding vintage vinyl that sounds better than anything made today still gives me great satisfaction!
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Post by Greg on Mar 30, 2017 21:34:18 GMT
Okay I've had this turntable for some time now and as I have not had a digital front end I've been listening to the turntable quite a lot . I'm still not attracted to the sound it gives . I know I'm asking a huge amount from an entry-level turntable but it doesn't even give me a taste of anything I like. So I'll probably end my turntable journey there. I'm sure a top-flight turntable would sound wonderful in my system and I got this turntable for free so there's no problems , so as I've said before if anyone is passing Maidstone with a nice turntable Pop in. On the other hand I keep on looking at examples of older turntables and this one looks like an absolute stunner theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?50560-Telefunken-S600-turntable-with-AS212-tonearmSo, James, your post suggests to me what you have, vinylwise, is not good enough leading you to consider giving up on a TT source, albeit you would really like to hear a quality TT in your system. That further indicates you could be swayed to further persue a vinyl system if it produces a sound reasonably combative with your current digital source. The main question is, how much are you willing to spend on this anologue source? If you are willing to spend around £2K for a combination of plinth mounted TT chassis, arm, cartridge and Phono stage, I can give you some good general advise on how to put together a record player that will compete readily with any high end streaming/CD source. £2K in my view is a reasonable target. Spending more will make it easier, potentially better, spending less will be within the realms of, "I got lucky". Let me know. If you are willing to spend around 2K, There is the potential to work out something really quite good.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Mar 30, 2017 21:44:33 GMT
Okay I've had this turntable for some time now and as I have not had a digital front end I've been listening to the turntable quite a lot . I'm still not attracted to the sound it gives . I know I'm asking a huge amount from an entry-level turntable but it doesn't even give me a taste of anything I like. So I'll probably end my turntable journey there. I'm sure a top-flight turntable would sound wonderful in my system and I got this turntable for free so there's no problems , so as I've said before if anyone is passing Maidstone with a nice turntable Pop in. On the other hand I keep on looking at examples of older turntables and this one looks like an absolute stunner theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?50560-Telefunken-S600-turntable-with-AS212-tonearmIt does look pretty neat. I have one - still in bits. People waste it just to get hold of the arm. I've no idea about the absolute worth of the arm, but doing that seems a waste, to me. There is information to find if you Google it. Here's one example: audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/telefunken-s-600-great-table.605558/Here's a couple of reviews from Vinyl Engine: The seller did have it on Gumtree about 240 days ago. When it came out I think it compared to a Linn, price-wise, but had the arm and cartridge. Seems a fair price. Go for more on eBay.
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Post by John on Mar 31, 2017 3:58:10 GMT
If it up with a 401 then certainly worth giving this a go James
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Post by Mr Whippy on Mar 31, 2017 16:19:49 GMT
Read of one user using it in preference to his Thorens 124
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Post by John on Mar 31, 2017 16:48:27 GMT
That pretty good praise as the 124 is very good
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Post by Sovereign on Mar 31, 2017 20:15:32 GMT
Okay I've had this turntable for some time now and as I have not had a digital front end I've been listening to the turntable quite a lot . I'm still not attracted to the sound it gives . I know I'm asking a huge amount from an entry-level turntable but it doesn't even give me a taste of anything I like. So I'll probably end my turntable journey there. I'm sure a top-flight turntable would sound wonderful in my system and I got this turntable for free so there's no problems , so as I've said before if anyone is passing Maidstone with a nice turntable Pop in. On the other hand I keep on looking at examples of older turntables and this one looks like an absolute stunner theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?50560-Telefunken-S600-turntable-with-AS212-tonearmSo, James, your post suggests to me what you have, vinylwise, is not good enough leading you to consider giving up on a TT source, albeit you would really like to hear a quality TT in your system. That further indicates you could be swayed to further persue a vinyl system if it produces a sound reasonably combative with your current digital source. The main question is, how much are you willing to spend on this anologue source? If you are willing to spend around £2K for a combination of plinth mounted TT chassis, arm, cartridge and Phono stage, I can give you some good general advise on how to put together a record player that will compete readily with any high end streaming/CD source. £2K in my view is a reasonable target. Spending more will make it easier, potentially better, spending less will be within the realms of, "I got lucky". Let me know. If you are willing to spend around 2K, There is the potential to work out something really quite good. Thanks Greg and Whipy 2 Things really Yes I would love to hear a great TT in my system. And if I had the money then yes I would take the risk and have a punt. But this last couple of years have been tough ones and I don't have the spare cash at the moment. I would like to put the issue to bed though. The TT I have was given to me so I really can't expect it to compete with a doc that Engineers have been painstakingly nit picking over for years.
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Post by Sovereign on Apr 3, 2017 15:28:51 GMT
Ok, quick and interesting update. I took delivery of the Arkless Electronics (Jez) heavily modified Cambridge Audio phono stage . I listened for about an hour last night I I found the music, Lenny Kravitz-Are you gonna go my way, thoroughly engaging. The sound was bigger and bass had a deeper and more authoritative drive to it. The music was very present and in the room, mid range was truely excellent with a wide and tonaly accurate sound. The treble was well balanced and kept me attentive. I was very happy indeed. My other phonostage had me in tears. As much as I tried to be engaged, with my other phono stage I was board to tears, and very frustrated. Swap it for the Arkless one and the music is very big, bold and the midrange and treble had me looking left, right, left, right like I was at a tennis match. Harmonies and symbols etc were popping out all over the place. After the album was finished I was really impressed, and chuffed. I have to send this demo unit on pretty soon, but it has given me great insight into what a TT can do in my system. As I haven't had my digital front end for about a month now as it's being upgraded this is the first time I've been able to sit down and listen to music without being frustrated. I must admit I am seriously tempted to spend a bit of money on my TT, but I mustn't, not in this season. Well done Jez at Arkless.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 3, 2017 17:22:12 GMT
Glad you've heard what good vinyl can do in your system, James.
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Post by John on Apr 3, 2017 17:43:40 GMT
Glad it is working out for you James
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