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Post by mattspl on Feb 17, 2023 20:07:10 GMT
Sounds good Martin. These definitely have my interest.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 17, 2023 21:12:37 GMT
My first ones took weeks to come on song, but the 2nd batch were there instantly like Martin's
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Post by MartinT on Feb 17, 2023 21:58:17 GMT
Yes it puzzles me, too, but I'm not that bothered!
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Post by MartinT on Feb 17, 2023 22:31:34 GMT
Two 0.5m Harmonic Technology Digital Copper III 50Ω clock cables prepared and now plumbed into the system. More about them tomorrow.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 19, 2023 21:25:18 GMT
The two HT cables are coming along fine. They don't have the forward characteristic one of them displayed in John's system yesterday (compared with the LMR-400), so clock cables are definitely system synergistic. These would seem to be the real deal but I'm waiting until the end of the week to give more details as they may yet still be changing.
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Post by mattspl on Feb 19, 2023 23:07:06 GMT
Two 0.5m Harmonic Technology Digital Copper III 50Ω clock cables prepared and now plumbed into the system. More about them tomorrow. They look good Martin, like Acrolink cables.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 23, 2023 7:59:26 GMT
I'm just waiting for the HT cables to finish burning-in before I publish a review.
So far, they are doing everything I had hoped for.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 23, 2023 20:22:48 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Feb 25, 2023 11:09:26 GMT
That separation I talked about in my review of the HT cables is really noticeable this morning. A cleaning up of the upper midrange / lower treble region around female voice. It still amazes me that a clock cable has such an influence on sound. Can it really be all down to the HT's triple shielding? I guess it must be significant, but how much is due to the materials? I don't have another pure copper cable for comparison.
Certainly everything makes a difference to the precious clock signal, as well as the quality of the clock itself: power supply purity, vibration control of the clock with footers and weights, keeping it running and warmed up, and the clock cable.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Feb 25, 2023 11:52:00 GMT
l agree Martin, sheilding is pretty bazaar thing. As you know l've been playing with Copper tape for a bit, and it can simply transcend proceedings soundwise.
It also begs the question, could you improve a 2 sheilded cable by adding an additional sheild of Copper, or in your case go for 4 layers 🤔
l would imagine the additional sheilding helps with lower frequency reduction,rather than 5Mhz upwards,it probably reduces it,but won't totally stop it, due physical wall thickness needed to block low frequencies.
It's interesting stuff, for sure
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Post by MartinT on Feb 25, 2023 12:32:09 GMT
I was at John's last weekend and he has used a considerable amount of copper shielding. I still have a reel of the self-adhesive thin copper foil in the garage. Strangely enough, I used it around the two toroids in my previous LKS DAC and it certainly helped, but I've not been tempted to open up the Gustard.
It's also - and I have to say this - pretty unsightly unless you dress it carefully!
But you're right, shielding is an area where I still need to learn what works for me. I really tried with painted shields around my grounding boxes but I didn't like the brightening of the sound. Well shielded cables, on the other hand, work very well for me. Coherent, Tubulus, Mad Scientist and Harmonic Technology all pay attention to this area and it shows in the sound.
I've often wondered how fab it would be if you could wear EMI/RFI visible specs, you could look around your system, see the hot spots, shield them and see the results immediately. What a tool that would be!
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Post by stellabagpuss on Feb 25, 2023 13:43:15 GMT
I Love it...JML EMF~RFI specs 🤣
Actually you can use a SDR radio for the same task ,up to a point, and you physically see on your monitor screen if the sheilding is working or not.
You have valid point in regards to sheilding,it can bring clarity that the designers didn't invision, changing the signature sound.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 25, 2023 21:50:25 GMT
John said something amusing today while listening to my system: "your system really suits the kind of music you like", and we both laughed. It sounded so obvious, but it does need saying, we ALL design our systems around the music we like, either consciously or subconsciously. Thanks for the visit and music talk as always, John
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Post by John on Feb 25, 2023 22:14:46 GMT
Thanks Martin for allowing me to hear your system. What a fascinating talk we had around our systems and life. Martin system over the years has changed in terms of sound greatly. We listened to a mixture of Martin choices and mine. I would say that each of our systems have been tuned to our particular music tastes, Martin system has a wide soundstage, with big open mids and plenty of bass texture and grunt when needed. My only real criticism is how it handles guitar sounds I could detect a touch of harshness, so both Jeff Beck torture track Blast from the east and Lario Basilio Your Love valve guitar tone missed that last bit of harmonic overtones that makes a valve guitar amplifier sing. Martin did move cables around and removed the grounding shield he made and this helped but still not quite there yet. To be honest I am not sure if Martin needs to get there. I think my biggest surprise is timpani coming out in the mix, this is the first time I heard this in Martin system. I really like you follow your own path Martin and trust your own process
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Post by John on Feb 26, 2023 8:49:48 GMT
John said something amusing today while listening to my system: "your system really suits the kind of music you like", and we both laughed. It sounded so obvious, but it does need saying, we ALL design our systems around the music we like, either consciously or subconsciously. Thanks for the visit and music talk as always, John I was reflecting how well your system sounds playing London Grammar or Dead Can Dance but put on some Jeff Beck and think that when my system would win out so just could not help myself I have to say how much Martin bass and mid bass has improved He now gets texture and colour as well as the usual extension and slam
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Post by MartinT on Feb 26, 2023 9:11:24 GMT
Hey John, it's always a pleasure to see you. Thank you for the insightful critique, it's useful hearing another viewpoint and I value your feedback.
Yes, I do think I'm nearly there and I do also hear the occasional 'zing' in guitar and high voice, never really sure whether it's in the recording as I play many that have no such problems. It's interesting how the shielding just doesn't work for me and removing the last of it improved things, as well as separating the left channel speaker cable run from the power cable. I have to say that I'm very pleased with the way things have turned out and we're into 'final tweakery' to get it just right now. I am still discovering so much new music.
Next steps: - full graphene treatment for all contacts - dress the cables carefully as I reconnect them, checking for crosstalk as you suggested
Further steps: - Have ordered another Zero Zone 01-A supercap PSU to replace the Weiliang powering my 1st AfterDark clock - Am on the waitlist for the EtherREGEN Gen2 to replace my original EtherREGEN
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Post by John on Feb 26, 2023 9:58:41 GMT
With the guitar its not in the recording with the tracks I played
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Post by MartinT on Feb 26, 2023 10:41:39 GMT
I really like you follow your own path Martin and trust your own process It doesn't always yield good results and sometimes requires a u-turn, but I absolutely must understand the reasons for trying things, which compels me to question and apply thought experiments. Some events I can recall: - I bought a BG7TBL clock for ham radio on an experimental whim, despite people telling me that the internal clock in the EtherREGEN is superior. It isn't, and I don't care what the numbers say. That started me down a route of discovery ending with two superb AfterDark clocks. - different thoughts abounded on grounding clocks, I tried it and couldn't get on with the results with everything sounding sat upon. I don't ground my clocks now, only the components they feed. - huge positive results elsewhere with the Finisar Active Optical Cable, so I tried it. It started off well but burn-in went the in the wrong direction and it ended up sounding harsh and nasty. I quickly went back to my HP SFPs and ipolex cables. - the recent activity here with painting RFI paint on shields and grounding boxes. I tried it carefully, using only cardboard. It just didn't work with my grounding boxes or components, brightening the sound unbearably. I have now removed it all. - I started my grounding box journey several years ago with the SGS, which was reasonably good. Tried Aucharm, Silent Point, RTZ, Black Ravioli and none quite did what I sensed was needed. Bought my first two Quartz Acoustic boxes and BANG! the perfect solution. I set about replacing them all with QA. - The same thing with power cables, I bought my first Coherent power cable and BANG! again. Nothing else touches them so I replaced them all over the years. The same happened for speaker cables, my Coherent set comfortably seeing off a much more expensive pair of Kimber Select KS-3035. - I have a vast collection of different footers in a box, testament to the number I tried including sprung, suspension, sorbothane and rubbery things. Nothing but nothing works as well as Black Ravioli so now everything is on them. So you see, experimentation has sometimes been fun and sometimes pure frustration. But I've learned everything for myself rather than just follow doctrine and that means the overall direction has always been improvement even if it's sometimes two steps forward and one back.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 26, 2023 11:16:35 GMT
I too like your experimentation Martin Saves me having to do it ! Fiddling about with kit for me is a pain unless I get improvements and even then it is only a means to an end
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Post by MartinT on Feb 26, 2023 19:35:46 GMT
All contacts now treated with Mad Scientist graphene. I finally had to open my 2nd 2ml vial.
What an utter pain to do. I dressed every cabled as best I could while reconnecting them.
I can say that there is a heightened sense of precision to the music. I can't say if it eradicates what John and I heard yesterday, that'll be for another evening.
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