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Post by MartinT on May 6, 2016 17:15:23 GMT
R Strauss - Also Sprach ZarathustraThe opening fanfare to Richard Strauss' tone poem Also Sprach Zarathustra (Thus Spake Zarathustra) is well known to us via the film 2001: A Space Odyssey, the Moon landing in 1969 and much incidental use. However, there is much more to this sumptuous composition than an organ-brass-fest rising to a rapid climax. The piece is written largely for strings and reinforces the widely accepted view that Strauss was a master orchestrator. Just listening to part one, after the fanfare, is a lesson in the utter beauty of massed strings when given free rein. A tone poem it may be, but you do not need to know Nietzsche's novel in order to appreciate it - I certainly don't. The second, harder gained, climax is worth waiting for and the whole piece is a joy to behold. I know of no other work that generates quite this emotion and sense of wonder and that probably explains why it has been a core part of my collection since my late teens. Widely recorded, my favourite recording is that by Eugene Ormandy and The Philadelphia Orchestra on EMI (mine is a DMM LP - ASD 3897), recorded in 1979. The opening organ pedals are extremely potent, shaking the room and everything in it. The violins are sweet but the recording is 'hot' so everything needs to be just so for it to sound great. If you set the initial volume appropriate to just this side of world destruction, the following string-dominated passages will sound glorious. Unfortunately, Spotify only has the opening fanfare by Ormandy. This is the full version by Karajan, another fine performance.
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Post by jandl100 on May 7, 2016 7:05:12 GMT
A very strange piece of music, as music. Opening with a HUGE brass fanfare underpinned by ultra-low organ notes. Then string-drenched sonorities followed by a reprise or two of the opening sequence. Weird. Fun, though! And stunningly wonderful. I've not heard the Ormandy, and as it's not on Spotify I've just now ordered a CD of the recording. Let's see if it can be added to the meagre catalogue of music / performances that Martin and I can agree not to differ on.
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Post by MartinT on May 7, 2016 7:57:18 GMT
There are two Ormandy recordings, it's the EMI you want not the earlier RCA.
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Post by MartinT on May 7, 2016 9:53:50 GMT
I've just discovered (in my own collection!) that it's also on CD on the UNESCO CLASSICS / Disky label, DCL 707252 (the image below cuts off the Zarathustra listing). The bass lacks some potency compared with the original vinyl release, but otherwise the transcription sounds great and still captures the string section extremely well.
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Post by jandl100 on May 7, 2016 17:52:54 GMT
There are two Ormandy recordings, it's the EMI you want not the earlier RCA. Bugger Then again, if you prefer the EMI I will probably prefer the RCA
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Post by MartinT on May 7, 2016 21:37:55 GMT
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Post by Slinger on May 7, 2016 22:03:09 GMT
Well just to be awkward I have versions from Rudolf Kempe (Staatskapelle Dresden), Lorin Maazel (Symphonieorchester der Bayerischen Rundfunks), and Fritz Reiner (Chicago S.O.). I'll have to toss a 3 sided coin.
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Post by MartinT on May 7, 2016 22:46:52 GMT
Go for it. In view of how hard my recording is to obtain, please just vote on the music.
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Post by ChrisB on May 7, 2016 23:04:53 GMT
So, is there a Spotify link to any performance of it?
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Post by jandl100 on May 8, 2016 6:58:24 GMT
So, is there a Spotify link to any performance of it? You cannay go far wrong with this one, Chris ...
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Post by jandl100 on May 8, 2016 7:02:52 GMT
Go for it. In view of how hard my recording is to obtain, please just vote on the music. That makes it easier. Kinda weird though it is, it has to be 10/10. If you are Spotifying, just type 'Strauss sprach' into the search box and you'll get a whole load of recordings pop up. All different in presentation, feel and texture!
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Post by ChrisB on May 8, 2016 7:06:33 GMT
Thanks Jerry
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Post by MartinT on May 8, 2016 9:30:43 GMT
this is the same one as the YouTube performance:
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Post by Slinger on May 9, 2016 18:33:19 GMT
Having just played my Fritz Reiner/Chicago S.O. as an aide memoire there really is so much more to this than that bit of 2001 that everyone knows. As an aside, this album also contains Ein Heldenleben - well worth checking out if you don't know it and you appreciate ...Zarathustra. I think 10/10 would really be stretching things as I don't consider it a truly great piece of music, but it's a stonking 8/10 for sure.
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Post by jandl100 on May 10, 2016 5:52:30 GMT
I think 10/10 would really be stretching things as I don't consider it a truly great piece of music, but it's a stonking 8/10 for sure. I do know what you mean. On the same scale, Brahms 4 or Bruckner 8 or Beethoven's Hammerklavier sonata would rate a 25/10. Nonetheless, it somehow feels niggardly to award such an amazing piece less than 10.
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Post by MartinT on May 10, 2016 6:23:08 GMT
I agree with that too, and if I think of time allocated to each great piece, I probably play Zarathustra as much as Beethoven 9, Bruckner 9, Mahler 2, Shostakovich 10, Grieg Piano Concerto and several others rating a 10/10 for me.
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Post by jandl100 on May 11, 2016 7:34:40 GMT
Listening to the Telarc Previn version now - cor. Fantastic sq, too.
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Post by julesd68 on May 11, 2016 13:53:42 GMT
It’s the first time I have listened to this work all the way through, so thanks to Martin for that!
I’m hampered by having to listen to this on my Mac which doesn’t do any favours to the scale of the work, but even so I can tell that the string tones and phrasing are indeed wonderful …
I think I would like to understand the narrative of the work because I struggled with that aspect of the work - by this I mean that I found it just a bit too ‘meandering’ and directionless at times. So I’m going to give it a 7 with potential to go higher once I know a bit more about it and hear it on my main system …
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Post by jandl100 on May 23, 2016 19:23:18 GMT
And of course the classic Reiner / Chicago recording is magnificent. Listening at the moment.
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Post by MartinT on May 23, 2016 20:10:49 GMT
A little... perfunctory for me. Good brass section, but what happened to the emotion?
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