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Post by Chris on Apr 1, 2016 17:16:32 GMT
Arcam 8/8P combo and Sony SS176E Brooklands Speakers with a NAD T12 player,Bluetooth connection and my own super duper speaker cables. Still sounds superb.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 18:17:36 GMT
Man I love those super duper speaker cables. I'd rate them as highly as I rate NVA TIS. They are the best speaker cables. Have ever owned including LS6. Paul (Doc) Stewart said they were use in a very expensive speaker cable and I'm not surprised.
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Post by Chris on Apr 1, 2016 19:15:20 GMT
There's at least one other forum member uses them and he knows his stuff as well. Is doc saying there's a speaker cable for sale that's made from this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 19:27:25 GMT
Apparently there was and i think it was hundres of pounds per metre. I read it on AOS a while ago Edit: found it. Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post if your prepared to make it up then this stuff is superb. Not cheap, once you double, double it up but its the best Ive tried. Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post Double, double ? So make four ends into one ? I'm confused Doc Stewart: OK First off I agree with Grant this stuff is amazing, Silversound used it in their speaker cable and with the correct construction, it is, in my opinion, about the best non pure siver cable around. As for constuction, each cable should have 4 strands two + and two -, then twist them together in a star quad arrangement with 2 1/2 twists per metre. As per Geoff's post, I prefer the z plugs and got some good gold plated copper from the Compass Audio guy via FleaBay. Silversounds used to wrap the cable with PTFE tape, I use plastic braiding and heat shink. theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?42486-Cheap-Copper-Speaker-Cable&p=719162#post719162 |
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Post by Chris on Apr 1, 2016 19:51:14 GMT
Dunno where they get not cheap from!! £20 for 12 metres is mega cheap!! How much cheaper do you want for hi spec silver plated speaker cable!!
Just glad folk are using it. Incidentally I've met Struth and he's a really nice bloke!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 20:16:29 GMT
On Wigwam they reckon it's the same raw cable that's used in Chord Epic, only ours is doubled up. Compared to Chord prices, it's a giveaway.
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Post by dsjr on Apr 1, 2016 20:42:08 GMT
I'd worry about the Alpha 8 pair. Not a good amp despite tweaks during its life and bi-amping doubles the hardness and listener fatigue. Seriously, if you're going to judge bits of wire, get the amp sorted out first...
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Post by Greg on Apr 1, 2016 22:25:35 GMT
I'd worry about the Alpha 8 pair. Not a good amp despite tweaks during its life and bi-amping doubles the hardness and listener fatigue. Seriously, if you're going to judge bits of wire, get the amp sorted out first... Completely agree and I would hazard a guess that when the amp is sorted, you'll find silver plated speaker cables very bright and unlistenable. Trust me, I've been there. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 22:43:59 GMT
So far I've used those same cables with Naim, Exposure, Audion, Sugden, Copland, Adcom, NVA, Musical Fidelity and quite a few others. They have been way better than anything else AFAIC, so I doubt it's simply a case of a "bad" amp clouding the issue. Especially when others like Doc Stewart and Struth like them too, with their gear.
I believe it's wrong to assume that because one silver plated copper cable isn't to your taste, that all will be bad for everyone. Just as wrong as it would be to assume that because one copper cable doesn't do it for you, all others are crap too.
It's also wrong IMO for DSJR to yet again force his opinions on someone else. Chris said his setup sounded superb to him, so why Dave decided to put forward his views as though they were universal truths is beyond me. It's a habit I really don't like and it comes across as knowing better than others.
Chris has other gear including a very tasty valve amp and Audio Note speakers. I think he's perfectly capable of judging what suits him, as well as being able to try those cables in a range of setups.
Sorry to add a ripple to the usually calm waters but I feel it had to be said.
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Post by Chris on Apr 2, 2016 4:01:03 GMT
Well said Singularity. Tell you what as well fellas you are both welcome to borrow a short set I have made up then come up with comments. You're WAY much better to hear them for yourselves first.
As for not a good amp - not the best I do realise : however I bought this new and used it for years with no problems. It's been in and out the loft time and again and never fails to work well. It maybe doesn't have a sound that appeals to you but it's a well made,British product that responds well to other components. I've sold off a few things recently to pay for an Acoustic Research amp but the Arcam stays. As for hardness I'd more describe it as a warm sound - the reason I changed was I wanted away from that warmth so I'd disagree there as well.
What makes you think it's a "bad" amp?
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 2, 2016 6:33:24 GMT
I have often said that I think there are actually very few bits of really bad gear, just bad combinations. Some kit is easily combined to make a good system, and for other stuff it's a bit more tricky to hit on a winning formula, but there's usually a way.
It would be better if members were able to find a way of expressing their personal experiences without pissing on other people's cornflakes with negative comments like the above.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 8:26:50 GMT
One thing I value here is that members with high-end systems don't sneer at those of us with more modest setups, they also show genuine interest in systems of varying price ranges. That's good for everyone, because you really can make great sounds with some very implausible combos in terms of price and "received wisdom".
I've learned that I can't even trust my own past experiences, because a new listening room and different partnering equipment can produce un-recognisable results. I'm in agreement with Chris B that most stuff can produce results that someone will like if paired and setup sympathetically. How else would it ever be produced. The designer and the buyers must like what they hear for it to make it into the big wide world.
Sometimes two items i really like and rate can fail completely when paired. One such combo was the NVA AP10 and Dean Altos. I have had great results with both and the AP10 was incredibly good with my inefficient and low impedance Spicas. The Altos were an easier load on paper but the AP10 produced the worst sound I have heard from an NVA amp. I still appreciate and respect both items but I'd have written them off if my only xperience of them was that one time together.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 2, 2016 10:10:06 GMT
There's some good cheap little systems that produce a great sound and some super duper systems, none belonging to anyone here of course,  -that sound not nice |
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Post by Sovereign on Apr 2, 2016 15:59:03 GMT
I'd worry about the Alpha 8 pair. Not a good amp despite tweaks during its life and bi-amping doubles the hardness and listener fatigue. Seriously, if you're going to judge bits of wire, get the amp sorted out first... Completely agree and I would hazard a guess that when the amp is sorted, you'll find silver plated speaker cables very bright and unlistenable. Trust me, I've been there. They can do, but the NVA LS6 is a staggering cable, which is part silver plated. One day when I have a wee bit of spare cash, I'll make my self a pair of LS7 speaker cables, |
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Post by dsjr on Apr 2, 2016 17:01:35 GMT
Three silver plated speaker cables I know intimately are Chord Co. Rumour and Odyssey in all forms, together with the music sapping QED SA, which is the worst cable I've heard since QED Micro or any other bell-wire. How this latter stuff kept getting 5* and annual awards I don't know, as it's truly awful and saps the dynamics and musical 'texture' from every system I ever used it in. Hell, many Sevenoaks stores 'darn-sarf' used to go one further and sell QED Micro as general speaker cable because it was small in gauge so wifey didn't find it objectionable... Even the Cable Talk Flat cable was better on longer runs.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 2, 2016 17:08:00 GMT
My Exposure Electronics speaker cables are great.
Ran TQ Ultra blacks very close.
Available for very little when they come up 2nd hand
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Post by dsjr on Apr 2, 2016 17:11:54 GMT
Was that the flexible dumbbell shaped beige coloured stuff from early on? If so, it's a great wire, but not as 'impressive' as some others, which start to sound treble-scrappy in really good revealing systems...
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Post by Chris on Apr 2, 2016 17:28:44 GMT
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