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Post by ChrisB on Feb 27, 2016 18:08:25 GMT
Having this week managed to buy a pair of AR LST speakers for a very good price, I'm just back from the trip down to Oxfordshire to collect them. Externally, they are pretty good. A few light scratches to the top surfaces, a couple of very lightly knocked corners, but not too much else wrong with them. The foam rot on the 12" woofers was to be expected and known about. One of the 8 tweeters is dented.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 27, 2016 18:14:00 GMT
Firing them up, at very low volume, I found that the stoved in tweeter is functioning but one of the others isn't. So apart from the two bass drivers, 2 tweeters required. Four out of eighteen - not bad then!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 20:08:28 GMT
The bass units should be an easy fix, but what about the tweeters? Can you get them repaired or are you going to look for replacements? As long as they were used in other AR models, the USA could be a source.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 27, 2016 20:29:35 GMT
It looks like there are a couple of non standard options from a supplier in the US - not that I want to do that. Alternatively, suitable tweeters do appear occasionally here in the UK too, because the drivers are the same ones as for the AR-3a, just loads more of them! I'm fairly comfortable waiting for the right ones to turn up in working order. In the meantime, I'll set to on the bass drivers.
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Post by Barry on Feb 27, 2016 20:52:04 GMT
How are the LSTs meant to be positioned? Are they positioned so the main face is at 45 deg to the listener, with the mids and tweeters firing at each other for one set and the others firing in parallel down the room?
What is the polar pattern like for the LST?
Cheers Barry
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 27, 2016 21:55:42 GMT
Back to the wall Barry. As a fellow Levinson owner, have you ever seen the Cello Amati speakers?
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Post by dsjr on Feb 28, 2016 12:31:53 GMT
Wonderful speakers when restored and working and an all-time great classic I think too. I have such fond memories of the pair KJ once had on dem... They'll need a large amp of quality though.
Re-capping crossovers is approved I believe and it's well worth looking at any AR3a restoration pages for inspiration I think. Coils were usually carefully positioned on the mounting boards and if there are level pots or switches, I'd be inclined to clean them and keep in situ.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 28, 2016 12:37:23 GMT
There are no level pots like the AR-3a Dave, or the 2ax that I also own. There's a front mounted 6-position switch that selects taps on an autotransformer.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 28, 2016 13:13:18 GMT
Info from the manual, including the description of what switching that transformer does:
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 28, 2016 21:06:44 GMT
I've ordered the foam rings from Fred Buist in the Netherlands, so once they're done, I'll start to think about the tweeters and crossover. For now though, I'm learning a lot from reading the historical articles and papers that are in the AR and Allison sections of the library archives at The Classic Speaker Pages site. The LST is not a very big speaker - 68.9 cm x 50.8 cm x 24.8 cm but bloody hell, it's a dense one! They weigh 40.5 kg each, and they're tricky to move about because of the fear of doing damage to all those drivers.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 28, 2016 22:56:30 GMT
They were $600 apiece in the US in 1973, so $1,200 a pair. They were made available to studios and labs but private individuals could also acquire a pair on special order - AR dealers could stock a demo pair but were not able to supply them directly to the customer. You could get a demo and if you liked them, you placed an order which the dealer would then lodge with AR. At this point you stumped up the full amount. AR would then send you a letter to say they were being built and they'd be delivered directly to you. I've seen a UK AR price list from April 1976, when the LST were (I think) about to be discontinued and they were £477 plus 12.5% VAT (and VAT had gone down that month!), which made them over £500. Calculate that for inflation and you get to a modern price of well over £4k - and this doesn't take into account the massive (mad) price increases that have occurred in top quality hi-fi gear over the last 10 years or so.
The very nice lady who sold me my pair told me that she was sharing a flat in London in the seventies with someone who owned a studio and she told him that she wanted a pair of speakers. She wanted only the very best and the price wasn't an issue. He said that in that case, it would have to be a pair of LSTs but she could only have a pair if she was willing to wait for them to be built and delivered. Given that I now own them and that I've wanted a pair since probably only about a couple of years after that time, I'm extremely glad she was willing to wait!
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Post by MartinT on Feb 28, 2016 23:24:51 GMT
So only a single owner? What are the chances!
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 28, 2016 23:37:28 GMT
She was an extremely nice lady and one of only two members of her sex that I have ever been in the company of while they were to be heard enthusing about speaker cable! (Mischa being the other one)
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Post by MartinT on Feb 29, 2016 6:39:16 GMT
LOL - I can't go into any kind of detail like that with Ruth as she glazes over, but she does appreciate the sound.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 29, 2016 9:08:16 GMT
Speaker cable !
It's a rare to find a female that will talk about music to any depth
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Post by Chris on Mar 1, 2016 9:32:14 GMT
I bought speaker cable off a lady once! I mentioned how surprised I was she had any kind of interest in it.
That's it,the only one.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 1, 2016 15:12:55 GMT
Picked up some CD storage at the weekend from a lady who knows here music. We talked. I asked to see her system and I hadn't spotted it. Tiny little Denon one box unit and speakers about 2 feet apart sitting on a sideboard. I guessed from this she wasn't into cables
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Post by ChrisB on Mar 6, 2016 21:05:13 GMT
The foam rings arrived on Friday I spent the afternoon today stripping the old foam and glue from the bass drivers. The first one was tricky and the second is proving to be an absolute sod! I've got the inner circumference of one ring glued and drying now - that'll be a simple job to finish. The second one though, was awful to deal with - the foam was much more brittle and the glue was thicker. I've got the gunk off the masonite ring that's glued to the frame of the driver but I'm really struggling with the stuff on the cone - grrrrrrrr! I thought it best to leave it for another time when I can concentrate better.
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Post by John on Mar 6, 2016 21:11:56 GMT
Sounds messy work that needs your full attention
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Post by ChrisB on Mar 6, 2016 22:17:49 GMT
Yes, there's quite a lot at stake John, so I don't want to be messing it up by making a stupid mistake.
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