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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 18:24:03 GMT
I am wondering bat what level the rest of my system has to be to get the best out of an upgrade like this? link
I don't think I can justify it just yet, but at what point would you consider it?
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Post by Pinch on Feb 11, 2016 18:50:07 GMT
For myself, it would at least have to be at the point at which the core elements of the system - amp, pre-amp, sources - could not benefit more from an outlay similar to that of the cable - so, around 1.5K. But also, if an extra 1.5K would put me in a position to undertake a more substantive upgrade of one of these aspects then I'd probably do that and forgo the cable. That is, I'd really have to be confident that pretty much everything else was properly sorted, and that an outlay of this sort was be proportionate to funds allocated elsewhere - I can't imagine ever being in this position, and to be honest I don't really think I'd consider spending this much on a mains cable even if I was in a position to - I'd be more likely to explore hardwiring.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 11, 2016 18:54:36 GMT
At what point would I consider buying a >£1,000 mains cable? I can't imagine any circumstances in which I would do so.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 11, 2016 18:57:08 GMT
Ditto
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Post by Chris on Feb 11, 2016 18:57:45 GMT
Nope,me neither.
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Post by Slinger on Feb 11, 2016 19:17:28 GMT
What they said. Straight answer to your actual question - when whatever I was attaching it to cost at least 15 to 20 times as much as the lead itself. Anything less and it seems a bit like the boy racers shoe-horning two grands worth of stereo into seven hundred quid's worth of car to my mind. Also, could you settle for one lead? Where would it go? A power amp, what about he other one(s)? A source component, what about the amps, and the pre if it's not passive and so on..? None of this is ever going to happen for me because I'm never likely to have a six figure system, which is roughly what I'd be looking at to even start to convince myself a set of £1000+ mains leads would be a justifiable upgrade...although, personally, I don't think paying that much for a mains lead would ever be that much of a benefit. Mains regen would probably come first for me and/or balanced mains. After that hard-wiring. Expensive kettle leads would be a long way down my priority list.
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 11, 2016 20:36:53 GMT
I'd spend the money on a massive mains regenerator before I ever 'wasted' it on a bit of wire and some passive parts. Short answer- never.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 11, 2016 20:58:44 GMT
I'll differ from everyone else here. My Coherent 6D cable runs are of that order of magnitude in price and I can easily hear what they do, so at the level of my system they make sense. For a lesser system, I would spend on good decent mains cables but not that kind of money. It's all got to be in balance, no point going large in one area if you have a bottleneck elsewhere.
And as SQ said, a BMU or regenerator should come first as you will easily hear what it can do.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 11, 2016 21:11:26 GMT
For a thousand quid, I expect significant improvements and I've never heard any cable change do that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 21:19:26 GMT
I've thrown all ideas of proportionality out of the window these days, having had my preconceptions challenged by a fab £500 plus interconnect in a modest system.
I'd simply say try as much stuff as you can. If you can get a loan of said item or any other, snap it up. You can't lose by trying.
* If it works for you and you can afford it, keep it. *If it works and you can't afford it, at least you have something to aim for in terms of sound and perhaps a later purchase. * If it doesn't work for you, then you can put it to bed for now.
These days, mains leads don't seem to make much difference for me, but I've had systems and homes where they have, so I try to keep an open mind.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 11, 2016 21:22:33 GMT
Has to be determined by what you hear from your existing kit
Also has to be some sort of ratio between what the boxes cost to what the cables cost 'Course the cables can stay while you upgrade the boxes further.....
I still remember the first argument (I heard at least) Do speaker cables make any difference ? Hifi has come a long way since then.
If you had a budget of say £10,000 a reasonable percentage of that needs to go on Mains Mains cables Supports Interconnects.
What percentage ? I'd say a minimum of 10%. Perhaps even 30%
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Post by Chris on Feb 11, 2016 23:43:10 GMT
I don't think the pricing represents proportional improvement - the difference between a £40 mains cable and a £600 mains cable,to me,isn't enough to justify the expenditure. Each to their own though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 6:04:38 GMT
I am interested to know what makes this special, and why it commands a premium price. Are you able to tell me Mr Brookmeister?
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Post by John on Feb 12, 2016 6:36:46 GMT
Maybe something like this could be part of a loan scheme similar to NVA where people can find out for themselves
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 12, 2016 7:49:36 GMT
I don't think the pricing represents proportional improvement - the difference between a £40 mains cable and a £600 mains cable,to me,isn't enough to justify the expenditure. Each to their own though. Applies to kit as well I was given a NAD CD player, my first ever. It did ok. Was also given an Arcam CD player. Definitely better I decided to upgrade and had to spend money. £1000 on a Naim CDX There was no cost justification there I wanted the music to sound better. No way was that worth £1000 in uplifted sound quality Maybe a Zen approach... Comparing kit or mains cables I want the system to sound better. I hesitated with the thought... CD player costs £1000 what might I spend to make it better .... It is natural to look at the cost of the kit and work out what peripherals are the right expenditure. Still comes into my head but I've managed to get over it. Since then I have added a Missing Link unswitched socket, mains cables, interconnects, the P10 mains regenerator, Mana racks and bases, various supports, mostly RDC cones. That's quite a bit of dough without spending any money on the kit itself. Sounds great though and makes sense to me
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Post by Pinch on Feb 12, 2016 8:14:44 GMT
I am interested to know what makes this special, and why it commands a premium price. If you follow the link that you provided, there's actually a pretty extensive write-up on the build of the cable, and on what - as you say - makes it special.
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Post by zippy on Feb 12, 2016 9:49:36 GMT
I'm sure someone could come up with a formula based on users salary/cost of kit, etc, but in reality I think there's no real logic behind spending huge amounts like that. Some people will always want the best regardless of cost.
I'm probably in the 'midway' school - I think it's worth paying a decent amount of money for the cables that matter (the most important to me being the pre/power analogue interconnects for which I paid about £150), but I feel I've reached the diminishing returns point and no way would I spend that sort of money however expensive my hifi..
As for said mains lead, I'm guessing that they're made in very small numbers, probably by hand, with relatively exotic/expensive components and that could justify their price. I still wouldn't pay that much though !!
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Post by dsjr on Feb 12, 2016 10:23:01 GMT
I am interested to know what makes this special, and why it commands a premium price. Are you able to tell me Mr Brookmeister? Maybe he'll start a loan scheme and let people borrow such products and see for themselves?
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Post by MartinT on Feb 12, 2016 10:24:52 GMT
Some people will always want the best regardless of cost. The only problem is that the best is almost invariably not the most expensive. I am running less expensive (but better) interconnects and speaker cables than I used to. By a factor of 1/ 2.
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Post by pre65 on Feb 12, 2016 11:46:18 GMT
Do bats need mains cables ? Seriously, I could not bring myself to spend that much on one cable.
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