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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 12:22:57 GMT
Im not sure what to do to be honest so some advice would not go a miss
Firstly i hate my job beyond belief. My contract states hours per week but ive always worked double what it says which is ok [Just]. Since our new manager landed he's cutting every ones Hours down to contract as from next Month, he is making a grave mistake in my honest opinion, he seems to totally forget the disasters that occur every time im off on holiday
The Question is i presently work Five days a week, Im almost certain he will create a Rota to still get me in the five days but far shorter hours per shift. This is something i will not put up with because for a start im not get up at daft arse hours to do a few hours work & secondly im not wasting a full week when i can be out doing work elsewhere.
Would you tell them to stuff the job where the sun does not shine?
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Post by stanleyb on Jan 4, 2016 12:46:50 GMT
If it is a contract, then renegotiate your hourly rate, and make sure the evening/night shift hours are at double time. He can't change the contract in midstream as far as I am aware from a legal point of view. If you don't get more money, then see if you can accidentally slip on a wet floor... make sure you scream in pain from the top of your voice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 13:04:49 GMT
Stan can i ask if ive work over double my contracted hours for around a Year & Half can i by law get my contract changed?
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Post by zippy on Jan 4, 2016 13:12:46 GMT
Make sure you know EXACTLY what your contract says.
I worked for a company with a contract that said something like 'normal/expected hours of working are 37.5 per week but you may need to work longer hours when the job requires it'. In other words the 'hours per week' was pretty meaningless, and in reality I worked a lot more than that including many weekends.
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Post by John on Jan 4, 2016 13:20:44 GMT
I am pretty sure they have to go through procedures around changes to terms and conditions, this should include a opportunity to raise your concerns. It might be worth speaking with Citizen advice around your rights I think whist you may find it hard to stop the changes, most companies are restructuring I just went through this and I just been offered a new job somewhere else. The sense of relief to changes they were going to bring just were crazy and I was very clear I needed to move on . I am leaving in a good way as you never know when you might need a reference
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Post by stanleyb on Jan 4, 2016 13:26:13 GMT
Stan can i ask if ive work over double my contracted hours for around a Year & Half can i by law get my contract changed? As far as I remember from the days when I was a manager and had to look at the staff contracts, the company cannot change the contract in midstream without compensating you. Have a look at www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3971
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Post by stanleyb on Jan 4, 2016 14:02:44 GMT
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 4, 2016 15:52:57 GMT
Generally, after the contracting part is sorted I'd go with the flow.
The guy's new and will find out.
Why work double your hours for no money - especially if you don't like what you are doing - let alone hate it ?! Certainly stop the extra hours right now.
There's something better out there. Just got to find it. Use those extra hours at home to do so
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 16:50:21 GMT
I agree that you should stop the extra hours immediately, I am sure you are extremely contentious but it isn't worth your health. I would also advise that if you find the whole thing over stressful, go and see your GP and explain the situation, they are very accommodating in my experience.
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Post by dsjr on Jan 4, 2016 17:40:52 GMT
It's years now since I was a volunteer CAB Adviser, but if you enter a job where 'everyone' routinely works extra unpaid hours, it sort-of becomes an unofficial part of the contract I remember, even if it's not stated in black and white...
For general advice, the CAB site 'adviceguide.org' may be able to offer something and the CAB itself has a huge database to draw on - online and books aplenty - should you need to go that far.
Good luck Andr'e and hope you can get yourself sorted. I'm at the other extreme - I want more work than I'm currently being given...
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Post by John on Jan 4, 2016 17:44:31 GMT
I think there is something called a implied contract so if you contract says you doing a but you been doing b this can become an implied contract as Dave has pointed out
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:06:29 GMT
Can i just say im not working the extra hours free gratis, They were just rota up every month. Like i say im not complaining but i was hoping the contract could be altered seen as id worked twice the contracted hours from the ofsett of my job. I do want the extra hours & more, i will work like a bull if need be im like that, but its whats going to happen now where the hours get sliced which renders the job not worth going to..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:46:58 GMT
I've done plenty jobs exactly like the one you describe - the last one broke the camel's back and I decided never again. The first chance I got I jumped ship and found something for a lot less hours and money - but my relief and lack of mental stress was more than adequate compensation.
If I had carried on I would have been dead long ago - simply as a result of all the alcohol I was using to calm my nerves after a day's work and get to sleep.
As it was, I used to opportunity to go back to college, got a degree and then a job with as many hours as the shit ones but infinitely more cash, job satisfaction and self esteem.
A someone has said - no job is worth losing your health or mind over.
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Post by Greg on Jan 4, 2016 20:43:00 GMT
I've done plenty jobs exactly like the one you describe - the last one broke the camel's back and I decided never again. The first chance I got I jumped ship and found something for a lot less hours and money - but my relief and lack of mental stress was more than adequate compensation. A someone has said - no job is worth losing your health or mind over. Also my experience, infact the simple matter of handing my resignation letter to my manager before I finished the job had in itself a massive pressure relieving impact on me. I felt like I was floating in air. André, you need to explore the facts. Why is your new manager scaling back the hours? Is the company subject of the EU Working Time Directive or has it (I believe some private companies can) signed out of the WTD? If the new approach from your manager is going to prevent you from earning the money you need/want and assuming he is successful in his intention, it's time to look for a new job that meets your needs. However, if as you suggest, you are currently indispensable for the company needs, your manager will quickly realise his plan may not be fruitful and may have to change his approach. Having said that, remember the very true adage that, despite what might appear to be the case, no-one who is employed is actually indispensable. Everyone is replaceable. I hope you get it sorted out.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 4, 2016 21:27:47 GMT
Can i just say im not working the extra hours free gratis, They were just rota up every month. Like i say im not complaining but i was hoping the contract could be altered seen as id worked twice the contracted hours from the ofsett of my job. I do want the extra hours & more, i will work like a bull if need be im like that, but its whats going to happen now where the hours get sliced which renders the job not worth going to.. You said earlier "Firstly i hate my job beyond belief." That is enough reason to go
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