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Post by ChrisB on Sept 17, 2015 18:36:47 GMT
Prompted by discussion in another thread, I'd like to demonstrate the wide range of music that is encompassed within the broad term 'jazz'.
Feel free to join in. You may also comment on whether you think any given example has a tune.
I'll start with two extremes.
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Post by John on Sept 17, 2015 19:18:23 GMT
Here a couple of tunes by John Coltrane
and Coltrane playing Giant Steps
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Post by MartinT on Sept 17, 2015 19:29:19 GMT
And the one used in the Album Choice thread, which most definitely has a tune.
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 17, 2015 20:03:02 GMT
Because jazz evolved from the blues, there is the point where they meet with artists like Jimmy Witherspoon and Eddie Vinson
Then there's something like this - BB King with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. Blues or jazz?
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Post by John on Sept 17, 2015 20:21:50 GMT
I would say Jazz and Blues develop from the music of Africa going to America. Jazz has it early influences from rag time and the street music of New Orleans and meeting of European music around the turn of the century. I tend to see them of coming from the same family tree and both have influenced each other over the years.
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 17, 2015 20:24:22 GMT
I'd say that ragtime and New Orleans stuff is very firmly in the jazz firmament.
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 17, 2015 20:36:06 GMT
Dixieland jazz by King Oliver who taught Louis Armstrong and was big on muted cornets
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Post by John on Sept 17, 2015 20:36:15 GMT
Jazz is such a broad genre of music that has such a wide spectrum of music, as art form it is constantly developing a re-inventing itself.
In many ways I see Louis Armstrong as the most influential artist of the last century, without there is not Miles there is no Dizzy, Hiss phrasing and love of the melody is still heard today in modern music.
Duke Ellington is a great leader and damn fine musician in many ways up with the great classical composers and conductors.
I heard Jazz take ideas from all forms of music over the years. Some melodic and some so outside my comfort zone
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Post by John on Sept 17, 2015 20:38:21 GMT
I'd say that ragtime and New Orleans stuff is very firmly in the jazz firmament. Yes but trying to explain its origins which is not strictly Blues. Its part of it early foundation |
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Post by Slinger on Sept 17, 2015 22:56:01 GMT
The Wikipedia version of events makes interesting reading. Let's be honest though, trying to define Jazz is a lot like trying to define "Classical" music. You either let everything in or rule 50% of it out, and you'd probably be wrong both times.  |
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 17, 2015 23:11:11 GMT
That's kind of the point of the thread though - to illustrate the diversity of it. To show (and maybe celebrate) how wide it spreads, and absolutely not to try to confine it into a prescriptive pigeon-hole.
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Post by Clive on Sept 18, 2015 9:11:37 GMT
Jazz has its roots in several places. If you look at 78 records from the 30s and 40s they use Fox-Trot for we we call jazz. Today we use Foxtrot but this is now a dance. As you can see from the link below jazz was at one point classified as Sweet Jazz or Hot Jazz. Whilst I agree that in the US jazz will have derived from blues that's not the case everywhere, jazz is such a wide genre but then so is classical. How would we define folk, country, prog, rock, rock 'n roll, dubstep etc? They aren't necessarily their own full genres, some or most might well fit into Pop, especially when viewed from say a classical enthusiasts perspective. www.walternelson.com/dr/foxtrotJazz genres too are multitudinous: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_jazz_genresUltimately genres and sub-genres are just tags, the important thing is to find music you connect with and enjoy.  |
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