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Post by liffy99 on Sept 4, 2015 22:02:30 GMT
For the past couple of years I've been running a pair of upgraded Final electrostatics with Lyngdorf corner woofers and bi-amplification. But always had a soft spot for big Tannoys after I had a pair of Chatsworths with 12" HPDs.
So a couple of weeks ago I bought a pair of Tannoy DMT 15s (dual concentric studio monitors in thick, braced cabinets).
A real contrast - the newcomers excel in bass detail and power, have great sound staging and surprisingly good detail retrieval. However, high level female vocals (for example) can get a tad strident - but these these monitors show poor recordings up more so that the 'stats. Then again I'm playing them louder as they are 98db efficient (but can handle the 400w/channel of the Lyngdorfs.)
They certainly like being bi-amped, on stands and decoupled on brass spikes, but when I get round to it I really want to utilise the active crossover function and room correction capabilities of the Lyngdorf and bypass the passive crossovers altogether.
anyone done anything like this before ?
then I can decide which set to keep . . .
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 5, 2015 7:42:58 GMT
Tannoys are horrible.
'Stats can be excellent. Get rid of the Tannoise.
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Post by zippy on Sept 5, 2015 7:47:10 GMT
Don't know about the newer models, but older Tannoys always sounded a bit harsh to me, so I'd swap them for something else as J says.
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 5, 2015 14:59:03 GMT
I'm running 12" HPD'S in Chatsworth cabs. When I first got them they sounded harsh but after turning the 'treble energy' setting down one notch they are perfectly balanced and sweet sounding. If you've heard older Tannoys sounding harsh it could well be down to this... Or system synergy etc
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 17:35:37 GMT
My experience of big Tannoys is zero. As for Electrostatics, I've only heard ESL63 and 57 plus a couple of pairs of Martin Logans. I didn't like any of them. I do note the word "can" in Jerry's post though, so I'm making not ruling out hearing something I like in future. I have enjoyed Apogee ribbons FWIW
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 6, 2015 6:22:45 GMT
Yes, I was very careful in my wording. 
I hate dual concentric Tannoise with a passion. Some are harsh, some are dull, most are bland - you could say that for most speakers, though - but all have a grainy colouration in the mids and lower treble that drives me absolutely bonkers. 
They do a lot of things quite well, though, and the bigger ones can certainly move some air. For me, the best point in the better ones is the upper bass which can have amazing presence and articulation. But the aforementioned grain makes them all unlistenable for extended periods for me. If that fatal flaw passes you by, then I can appreciate that Tannoys would have a lot going for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 23:37:24 GMT
Yes, I was very careful in my wording.
I hate dual concentric Tannoise with a passion. Some are harsh, some are dull, most are bland - you could say that for most speakers, though - but all have a grainy colouration in the mids and lower treble that drives me absolutely bonkers.
Well then you have never heard a pair of DC Tannoys that are set up properly in a system designed to drive them. I have had many sets of Tannoys over the years and have used them in recording studios round the world. The thing is that these are monitor speakers, if the recording is poor, they are ruthless in showing up the faults. If the recording is good they will reveal this in spades. I have 12" Monitor Golds in Lockwoods Academy cabinets and would not have anything else. As foe 'stats I love them too, I have had 57s both single and stacked, 63s and Audio Statics all good but not in the same league as far as grunt and realism as the DC Tannoys. |
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 7, 2015 7:17:08 GMT
Yes, I was very careful in my wording.
I hate dual concentric Tannoise with a passion. Some are harsh, some are dull, most are bland - you could say that for most speakers, though - but all have a grainy colouration in the mids and lower treble that drives me absolutely bonkers.
Well then you have never heard a pair of DC Tannoys that are set up properly in a system designed to drive them. haha !! that's what many Tannoy fanboys have said to me. "Come and hear mine" they say. They are always wrong, in fact the most (politely) insistent of these fine folk actually had the worst offending Tannoys I have ever heard.
I think the particular sonic flaw in Tannoy DC speakers which offends me just happens to hit a psycho-acoustic resonance in my auditory perception system. It's like having a soft 'chh' (as in Scottish loch) overlaid on everything. Awful.
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Post by zippy on Sept 7, 2015 7:24:47 GMT
Seems to be a real 'Marmite' situation then.... (and I don't like Marmite either !)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 8:18:55 GMT
Well then you have never heard a pair of DC Tannoys that are set up properly in a system designed to drive them. haha !! that's what many Tannoy fanboys have said to me. "Come and hear mine" they say. They are always wrong, in fact the most (politely) insistent of these fine folk actually had the worst offending Tannoys I have ever heard.
I think the particular sonic flaw in Tannoy DC speakers which offends me just happens to hit a psycho-acoustic resonance in my auditory perception system. It's like having a soft 'chh' (as in Scottish loch) overlaid on everything. Awful.
Ive heard them a few times & never liked them. The last bake off i went to {You were at this one too Jerry} I listerned to a much flaunted pair, i had to get out after 10 mins they were horrid to my lugholes. |
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 7, 2015 9:20:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 16:31:47 GMT
Isn't it sad that so many people start out on their Hifi journey without hearing the variety of sounds available? How can you know where you're headed if you haven't heard the type of systems regarded as the end goal for many people? I've heard more kit than most due to visiting shows back in the day, having Hifi mates and also my incessant box swapping. Even then, I've not heard big Tannoys doing their thing.
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Post by John on Sept 7, 2015 16:51:41 GMT
I think Tannoys are one of the speakers that cause mixed reactions and certainly not for everyone. The best I heard have been a pair of Westminsters running on solid state monos The Westminster had been modified and with the person listening taste worked well. I have also heard some that have been either to lame or attack like a sledge hammer but no real micro dynamics
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Post by MartinT on Sept 9, 2015 7:23:37 GMT
I think you really need to decide on what musical presentation you like, since Tannoys and 'stats couldn't be more different. Tannoys have a big ballsy sound with, as has already been noted, a tendency to sound harsh if all is not perfect (and depends on the model). Electrostatics tend to sound lighter in presentation but provide detail and spacial cues that completely elude most Tannoys. I have to admit that neither suit my personal preference.
If you want to hear really good panel speakers, the Martin Logan CLX are superb, but costly.
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Post by daytona600 on Sept 9, 2015 13:26:34 GMT
outstanding Stats are also much cheaper
94db effciency with a couple of kilowatt will out ballsy any tannoy or dynamic speaker
& you can see through them with a footprint the size of a gatefold LP
could not go back to box speakers myself again
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Post by liffy99 on Sept 10, 2015 21:07:28 GMT
94db effiicent 'stats ?
Yes please - where ?
To be honest I think the Tannoys provide quite a bit of detail - perhaps not quite the 'air' of the sats admittedly but their greater dynamics provides an element of music that most sats (and I've owned several pairs from Cadence, Quad, Audiostatic, Finals and ML Prodigies) overlook.
For me:
Tannoys = bass articulation, dynamic swings, easy loads, great imaging and decent detail (but yes, can show up any harshness in the recording / chain).
Stats = detail, space, WAF (up to a point), unfatiguing sound, but don't do bass or macro dynamics (and the Lyngdorf corner woofers do the best job of trying to integrate with them I've yet found - far better than single, active subs from Final or REL).
Just like bikes, cars etc - one size rarely suits all needs. If only I had the space to run more than one system . . . .
Come October I'll try and bypass the Tannoy crossovers and report back.
That said I loved the rejuvenated Apogee Duetta Sigs I heard a couple of years back - still a compromise but one I could live with.
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Post by daytona600 on Sept 10, 2015 21:15:20 GMT
94db effiicent 'stats ? Yes please - where ? The Absolute Sound Best Speakers Under $20,000 Sanders 10D Speakers The Sanders 10D loudspeaker was the best of the best at this show (of what I heard). Perhaps not everyone wants a speaker that emphasizes the direct arrival to this extent—the entire range above 175Hz is covered by a flat electrostatic panel, 15 inches wide, operated as a unit, hence quite beamy as frequency rises. But for the centered listener, something very close to sonic truth to the recordings emerged. And the new aluminum woofer, operated with a very steep DSP crossover at 175Hz produced bass that was awe-inspiring in power and extension, with precision to match the purity above (the bass is transmission-line-loaded). The whole had neutrality, low distortion, and sheer sonic power. Forget about the idea that electrostatics are subtly wimpy. Not so here, not at all. The Reference Recording version of Rutter’s A Gaelic Blessing was as close as one is going to get to the direct experience of live, large-scaled concert music at an audio show—or anywhere else outside a concert hall—with remarkable beauty, clarity, and delicacy in the voices, combined with power in the organ part. Wonderful stuff. This is a groundbreaking product. And the price is reasonable. The whole system, including amplification for the bass, is $15,000. The Sanders speakers exhibit all of the expected electrostatic virtues (transparency, neutrality, superb detail retrieval, and lightning-fast transient speeds), plus something more: namely, astonishing dynamic authority and clout, augmented by robust, rock-solid, deeply extended, and beautifully defined bass. Integration between the electrostatic panels and the transmission line bass system was simply superb. Chris Martens HIFI + The Absolute Sound June 2015 |
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Post by John on Sept 11, 2015 18:52:28 GMT
I know its not part of what your brief is, but would you consider Open Baffle as they can disappear like electrostats but also can have plenty of clout and bass that is just stunning if well thought out. If well designed no harshness either
Biggest Issue would be the WAV factor but some are more compact than stats
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Post by MartinT on Sept 11, 2015 20:33:42 GMT
Think you mean WAF, John, and yes open baffles are not exactly domestic friendly!
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