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Post by MartinT on Jul 22, 2015 6:04:39 GMT
I've given this much thought over the years and still don't have any answers. It seems to be a combination of what we perceive as beautiful sounds, the emotional content, any special meaning or association from an event in the past, and an unidentifiable magic 'something' that makes us like one piece and dislike another. Much (but not all) of the music I like has some sort of 'hook', a sequence of notes or a key change or rhythm shift or vocal style that does it, but how to even explain how and why that lights up my entertainment neurons? How can I like some Tangerine Dream, which hardly contains a tune I can follow, or k d lang singing virtually acapella, or a full orchestra generating stupendous noise in the middle of Shostakovich's 10th symphony, or a Gregorian chant? Why do I love these pieces but equally dislike Billy Joel or Mendelssohn or reggae?
So, aware that it's an impossible subject to explain in words but wanting to start a debate on it, why do you like music?
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Post by ChrisB on Jul 22, 2015 6:15:21 GMT
It's something that has occupied my mind a lot too. If I didn't like music, I would have saved a big bag of cash by now! I am also fascinated as to why some Eastern music can sound so angular and awkward to our ears and yet beautiful to others.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 22, 2015 6:31:58 GMT
Indeed, I have listened to Balinese Gamelan and it's complex, creative, but my brain can't deal with it as an enjoyable sound. Why should that be?
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 22, 2015 6:41:00 GMT
I can't work it out either.
Super sensitivity to sound I guess. Different types of music give different feelings
I find certain sounds, like yesterday as my guys were bashing around with metal shelves from racking, utterly horrid, torture.
The Balinese thing could be cultural and rooted in where we are born
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Post by ChrisB on Jul 22, 2015 7:32:01 GMT
I think that the thing is that much of it comes about as a result of familiarisation and as we get to know more music, we are able to cope with more and more levels of complexity and sophistication.
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Post by ChrisB on Jul 22, 2015 7:58:27 GMT
My previous post seems to refer to my question about Eastern music, but it kind of feeds into the view that our emotions in response to a piece of music are triggered by our expectations. For example, when you are listening to a passage of music, your brain is predicting what is going to happen next and this is informed by your previous exposure to music. If your brain accurately predicts what happens, then the desire to get what you want is satisfied and you get a little shot of dopamine. That's good! - It's what you get when you eat nice food, have sex, take drugs etc On the other hand, if your little subconscious mental prediction is wrong, you become just a little bit frustrated and there's no reward of dopamine. This is why a cover version of a song can seem so badly wrong. As your experience of music grows, your brain is better able to accurately make those predictions and so you are able to cope much better with what you would have previously thought was awkward or jarring. Just one theory. Not mine! 'Emotion and Meaning in Music' by Leonard Meyer
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Post by MartinT on Jul 22, 2015 8:58:27 GMT
For example, when you are listening to a passage of music, your brain is predicting what is going to happen next and this is informed by your previous exposure to music. If your brain accurately predicts what happens, then the desire to get what you want is satisfied and you get a little shot of dopamine. Yes, that's well put. Certainly familiarity can create the expectation of pleasure (usually) which replaces curiosity when first listening to something new. The curiosity phase can then create a feeling of interest where subsequent listens generate more inquiry into why you first got that thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 9:38:04 GMT
By far and away the best method of losing ones self without the use of psychotropic substances or other legal addictions. Will not divorce you, lock you out of the house, go flat, taste off or generally abuse you It is a superb way of exploring human kind without leaving the comfort of your listening room.
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Post by dvh on Jul 22, 2015 11:41:34 GMT
Do you believe in magic in a young girl's heart How the music can free her whenever it starts? And it's magic if the music is groovy It makes you feel happy like an old-time movie I'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul But it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout-a rock and roll
If you believe in magic, don't bother to choose If it's jug band music or rhythm and blues Just go and listen, and it'll start with a smile That won't wipe off your face no matter how hard you try Your feet start tapping, and you can't seem to find How you got there, so just blow your mind
If you believe in magic, come along with me We'll dance until morning till there's just you and me And maybe, if the music is right I'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night And we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see How the magic's in the music and the music's in me
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Post by John on Jul 22, 2015 12:15:09 GMT
Two parts The biggest thing that changed my musical taste was learning to play the guitar. This opened up different genres and also changed how I listened to music. I remember in my 20s if you were to tell me I listen to a lot of tabla based music I have laughed at you. But listening to more music from different cultures opened this up I think another reason might be I watch quite a few Japanese and Chinese films so the music is quite familiar to me so perhaps that also has something to do with my taste for some Asian based music. I could not listen to Gamelan based music its just to outside for my ears. Its harder to explain why I actually like music, we talking about such a personal experience that for me touches some place inside. So I feel a deep emotional connection to music that somehow enriches my life in a positive way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 14:36:53 GMT
One of the reasons I like music is because it chills me out when I have had a hard day, also I like the fact that my mood can chance as a consequence of listening to music… It is also sociable, I can have music on the background with friends, or I can sit in my comfy listening chair with the lights off and just chill.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 23, 2015 5:42:19 GMT
I can have music on the background with friends I seem to have two modes, one where I can accept the use of music for background, not caring about the quality and discussing the merits of particular tracks with friends.
The other is where I listen to the exclusion of everything else. I sit in the hot seat and just absorb the music. I will not have anyone talking to me, I won't answer the phone etc. Of course, living alone helps considerably. Must prepare Ruth for this when we throw our lot together
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Post by ChrisB on Jul 23, 2015 6:08:09 GMT
Ha, yes. That could come as a bit of a shock!
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Post by Chris on Jul 24, 2015 6:56:57 GMT
Im with pj on this. The sense of not bothering about anything else,the "me" time and the fact it's all my own wee way all appeal to me. I also enjoy the actual listening and really getting into the music. As with pj then I like the sociable side of it as well - I think having the TV on when friends are round is simply terrible manners but having music on and maybe sharing your latest finds is great. There's also the sense of memories and plans to come that music can provoke and it's also a great way to motivate yourself and distract your attention from a crappy job!
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 24, 2015 7:18:19 GMT
I love to play music when we have people round but the buggers want to talk *all* the time.
Music and some talking is what I aim for and usually fail with
Agree with Chris. TV when mates are round is not on
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 14:35:00 GMT
Totally agree re TV, it is the most inconsiderate and IMHO rude and un-sociable thing to do. My mother-in-law in seriously bad at it and it drives me insane, but then again we have never got on so I guess that doesn't help.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:27:00 GMT
T.V. Grrrrrrrrrrr i avoid watching it period.
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