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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 3, 2015 9:03:16 GMT
What I have been trying to achieve in my company since the mid 90s Long, hard struggle, not there yet Deming's 14 points deming.org/theman/theories/fourteenpointsnow I'm applying this to the company I sold my company to........ |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 3, 2015 9:29:20 GMT
I was taught the Deming way when I worked for NEC. Some of it is very useful and can be applied to most businesses.
If there were to be one take-away from his points, it would be the practice of continuous improvement for any process or service, leading to increased productivity.
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Post by dvh on Jul 3, 2015 10:37:17 GMT
What I have been trying to achieve in my company since the mid 90s Long, hard struggle, not there yet Deming's 14 points deming.org/theman/theories/fourteenpointsnow I'm applying this to the company I sold my company to........ |
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Post by dvh on Jul 3, 2015 10:37:45 GMT
What I have been trying to achieve in my company since the mid 90s Long, hard struggle, not there yet Deming's 14 points deming.org/theman/theories/fourteenpointsnow I'm applying this to the company I sold my company to........ Fucking hell. I'm glad I'm not working any more. Reading that gubbins brought back horrible memories of interminable meetings, with buzzwords and jargon making much of the discussion meaningless. But, anyway, I'm sure what he says is full of good sense, even if he does wear objectionable braces. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 3, 2015 12:02:47 GMT
It's ancient and what Japan bought into wholesale coming out of the rubble in 1945
I see no braces
I see all of it as valid
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 15:34:34 GMT
What I have been trying to achieve in my company since the mid 90s Long, hard struggle, not there yet Deming's 14 points deming.org/theman/theories/fourteenpointsnow I'm applying this to the company I sold my company to........ Fucking hell. I'm glad I'm not working any more. Reading that gubbins brought back horrible memories of interminable meetings, with buzzwords and jargon making much of the discussion meaningless. But, anyway, I'm sure what he says is full of good sense, even if he does wear objectionable braces. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's one of the factors that drove me to self employment... I have no time for that sort of bollocks and used to make the fact very obvious, and that I couldn't take it serious, when in the interminable meetings. |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 3, 2015 17:38:02 GMT
People often spout the bollocks and know nothing of the meaning behind them. Actually implementing the processes is almost guaranteed to improve a company, but not without pain.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 17:49:10 GMT
Its one thing improving a company and another making it a perfect working environment. Some people will never buy into the philosophy and it won't be a perfect working environment for them. In fact it may even be their nightmare working environment. Having had my share of this sort of stuff in my time, I'm more aligned with Jez. That doesn't mean I can't recognise the potential benefits. Just that for my own personal tastes, it's not an environment I'd ever want to work in.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 3, 2015 18:54:17 GMT
It's important to differentiate between a genuine nightmare environment, and those who complain continuously and never pull their weight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 19:36:23 GMT
Some people will never be happy at work and yet stay in the same place making life tougher for everyone else. I can appreciate that and agree that they are a problem we could all do without. I do feel though that there are people who pull their weight and more, yet they don't want to buy into an ideology whilst doing their job.
I've seen so many major management initiatives come and go, whilst watching the "nodding dogs" embrace every last word and accept it all without question. Often the new initiative is in direct contradiction to what was believed and accepted by them just days ago. After a couple of years the same "nodding dogs" once again volt-face when significant sums are thrown at a "new" initiative, which is a re-hash of a previously abandoned philosophy. The only ones who seem to do well from it are the consultants and gurus who peddle the stuff.
Sorry if I'm cynical but I've witnessed hundreds of Millions of public money completely wasted on this stuff, with the biggest impact being the disruption of key services through constant change. It certainly didn't feel like a dream environment to work in, despite my own motivation to add value being very strong.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 4, 2015 6:20:48 GMT
I have been involved in three euphemistically titled 'Business Process Re-engineering' projects, all of them with highly regarded consulting firms. Two of them had worthy outcomes but the board picked only the sections they wanted to implement despite having paid millions for the project. One of them I would have had all the consultants taken outside and shot.
All three were miserable experiences with terrible implementations, a spineless board who proved they only wanted change as long as nothing was changed for them, lack of buy-in, lack of change management and little care for the employees. I've definitely seen the dark side of it all.
However, that does not mean I don't believe in Deming's basic principles.
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Post by John on Jul 4, 2015 8:05:37 GMT
I rather work in environment that I feel a sense of meaning for and pays well for the responsibility placed on me. At present I have the the work based meaning but not the pay for the amount of responsibility I have.
I do not consider myself business motivated
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 4, 2015 9:05:45 GMT
The message is right. The messenger is often an idiot Take a listen to this and see if it strikes a few chords funnysalescartoons.com/video/accidenture-1Some of my philosophies in business ; Enjoy yourself, do the right thing and make money while you're at it. I set up my own company, starting self employed as I couldn't stand working for idiots. Some years in I stumbled across Deming and after a reading and thinking bought into it. Most case histories showed how the workers could not get management to embrace it, to their utter frustration. Being the boss I could see this could be easy. It wasn't. After some months of trying to get my guys to improve what we had I gave up and told them where to move the kit to. Massive increase in efficiency, which by then was desperately needed. Most people don't like change, wherever they are in the company. While not lazy they are so often mentally lazy. The most dangerous are the ones that talk it but don't understand what and why |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 10:52:48 GMT
The message is right. The messenger is often an idiot Mike: that pretty much sums up my time in public sector change management. So many times a business model (usually from manufacturing), was adopted wholesale without any ability to adapt to circumstance. I have seen potential savings running into nine figures rejected because they did not fit within the rigid confines of the latest mantra. I always started from a premise that I would try to think of the business as my own and act accordingly. Sadly the majority of management I encountered were incapable of doing anything other than blindly following rules. Not all my work experience has been so frustrating. I worked for one of the major political parties at one stage and they were the best employer imaginable: Empowering, liberating and trusting. The results were very positive and it was refreshing to see new arrivals change for the better. The experience left its mark on me and I found it very hard to return to anything less enlightened. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 4, 2015 12:00:23 GMT
Spoiled for other jobs !
What a great world we *could* live in
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