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Post by Slinger on Jun 10, 2015 11:12:46 GMT
Is this thread now serving any useful purpose? It seems to have turned into an excuse for trolls to drop in purely for the purposes of aiming insult and innuendo against people who are no longer members here.
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Post by chukka on Jun 10, 2015 11:36:03 GMT
Ban TAS members from discussing HFS and its membership entirely
After having checked out the latest **censored** posted on the mentioned site, no I wouldn't ... on the contrary, why not have a thread here which discusses disfunctional sites and weird owners. Let the members here decide if they want to participate in it or not. That is freedom of speech. |
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Post by aurender on Jun 10, 2015 11:48:02 GMT
A general question on trolling issues: why is this kind of behaviour so common in UK forums and apparently much less common in other countries? Example: observing some 5 or 6 UK forums, aggressive trolling is commonplace. hFS and possibly Wigwam, contain many good examples of the kind of keyboard warrior behaviour that is often very aggressive and threatening.
In the broad range of US, Australian and German forums to which I contribute, such behaviour is not seen.
Is the difference due to a particular character trait in the UK? Jealousy is one oft given explanation. If so, why are there so many people in the UK driven by such emotions that they are happy to behave on UK forums in a way they would never behave (at least I hope they would never behave) in the real world. A good test is to ask yourself whether you would behave in the same way if you were to meet that person in the real world. If the answer is that you would, then you are certainly heading for serious trouble in your life.
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Post by chukka on Jun 10, 2015 11:56:20 GMT
Same observation here ;-)
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Post by pre65 on Jun 10, 2015 12:02:26 GMT
I think that other forums should be left to develop their own character and not discussed here.
I do read other forums, with HFS being the hi-fi equivalent of the Beano.
The most friendly forum I partake in is one whose members (in the main) know each other in person through bi-annual meet-ups.
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Post by dvh on Jun 10, 2015 12:05:35 GMT
I never worry about people's motivations. The key question is whether what they're posting is interesting, informative, thought-provoking, or funny. I couldn't care less whether they're posting it out of jealousy, hatred, whimsy or boredom; if it meets one or more of the given criteria I'll read it and maybe respond to it; if not, I'll ignore it and move on. As to whether they'd say whatever they say on forums 'in real life', that's a spurious argument, because it would mean that a big beefy bloke could post anything, however rude, whereas a 9-stone weakling would be limited to nice platitudes.
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Post by pinkie on Jun 10, 2015 12:16:37 GMT
Is this thread now serving any useful purpose? It seems to have turned into an excuse for trolls to drop in purely for the purposes of aiming insult and innuendo against people who are no longer members here. Slinger - you are an officer and a gentleman, and someone I greatly respect. As such, as admin on HFS, something of an enigma. I am sure you would recognise the paradox of noting that members of this forum are discussing "others" who are ex-members, when those ex-members belong to HFS where the primary activity appears to be discussing the behaviour of others on other fora (EOTW exists for the purpose, and I bet picks up more posts than "normal" threads). As you know, my ability to address that forum directly was affected by "technical factors" - I can't log in. Given that this thread's roots probably lie in 3 individuals who consider it a badge of honour to get banned from any HiFi forum apart from HFS, and comment on HFS about their disruptive activities on other fora including TAS, it seems reasonable that those individuals will feature in a discussion about trolling here It begs the question - is the answer to Aurender's question about "why does trolling seem to exist only on UK HiFi fora, and not other fora"? "because Dunn has set up a team to specialise in it?" I guess that's not the complete answer - and others who have spent a lot more time than I have on Hifi fora see "non-HFS" trolling too, but it is clearly a significant factor. Whilst my tentative toe dipped in the water of Wigwam has found it robust and "objectivist" I haven't been aware of "trolling" there. And any hostility and "trolling" on this site seems to be traceable to the 3 HFS warriors, whether by them or against them. I recall something said to me by my then boss when I was in denial about my wifes behaviour prior to our divorce. Her behaviour was inexplicable because I made one false premise the basis for all my reasoning. Namely - she wasn't lieing when she said "I'm not having an affair - it's something else" He said - "Sometimes the answer is simple. Things are as they seem". I have found that a useful insight any number of times subsequently. HFS and its "mission" is just tiresome, vain and irrelevant. It has been the cause of the trolling on this forum. The rest of us (including a few "exiles" like me) just want to ignore it and attempt to "chat" in reasonable harmony. |
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Post by ynwan on Jun 10, 2015 12:28:22 GMT
Is this thread now serving any useful purpose? It seems to have turned into an excuse for trolls to drop in purely for the purposes of aiming insult and innuendo against people who are no longer members here. If you are one of the administrators of HFS (I'm taking this from Pinkie's post above) then the irony of your comments could hardly be more pronounced - HFS is a forum whose primary aim seems to be to provide a home for "trolls to drop in purely for the purpose of aiming insult and innuendo"! |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 10, 2015 12:29:04 GMT
Is this thread now serving any useful purpose? It seems to have turned into an excuse for trolls to drop in purely for the purposes of aiming insult and innuendo against people who are no longer members here. I was about to make the same point. I think we're almost done with this one so will close it soon, after any last gasp posts are made today. |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 10, 2015 12:31:58 GMT
The most friendly forum I partake in is one whose members (in the main) know each other in person through bi-annual meet-ups. Quite a few of us know each other in person and we aim to expand on that. The first year of TAS has been focussed on getting the forum mechanics right and getting the membership to a decent size.
I think some sort of group meet will come in time, with hopefully a small scale show to follow when we feel we can make a success of it.
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Post by Slinger on Jun 10, 2015 12:51:22 GMT
Is this thread now serving any useful purpose? It seems to have turned into an excuse for trolls to drop in purely for the purposes of aiming insult and innuendo against people who are no longer members here. If you are one of the administrators of HFS (I'm taking this from Pinkie's post above) then the irony of your comments could hardly be more pronounced - HFS is a forum whose primary aim seems to be to provide a home for "trolls to drop in purely for the purpose of aiming insult and innuendo"! My point is, that whatever you think of HFS there is surely no excuse for using this forum to do exactly what you're complaining about. Not irony, common sense! |
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Post by chukka on Jun 10, 2015 13:10:53 GMT
Administrating forums like hfs is being an active part in the whole problem. Common sense !
PS. the site is not only abusive to members on other fora, it is also openly homophobic, racist and anti feminine amongst other things.
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Post by pinkie on Jun 10, 2015 13:21:52 GMT
Administrating forums like hfs is being an active part in the whole problem. Common sense ! I know Martin is keen to close this thread. Whilst I understand, I wonder if locked threads are as disappointing as banned (or suspended) members. Since others clearly don't know Slinger, I feel obliged to defend his honour. He is part of the HFS team, but never indulges in the "negative hostility" which is all many see of HFS. He is a (fairly quiet and dignified) voice of reason and moderation. I have never known him indulge in the name-calling, whining and self-pity or any other "negative hostility" aspect of HFS. Hence the enigma. Clearly he sees something of value there which makes it worth staying. There certainly is more to HFS than its very public "mission" and hostility. However, I know I am not alone among those who once belonged in finding that the atmosphere of antagonism (and blind allegiance to its omniscient leader) took the shine off the more positive aspects. We find we enjoy life, music and HiFi more away from that environment. |
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Post by dvh on Jun 10, 2015 13:39:44 GMT
Good grief! If you don't like HFS, don't read it. How difficult is that? Is it inextricably linked to your internet browser so you can't avoid reading it, or something? If you find life better without it, then put it out of your mind; don't discuss it, here or anywhere else, otherwise people might suspect that you're actually obsessed with it.
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Post by chukka on Jun 10, 2015 13:41:50 GMT
Administrating forums like hfs is being an active part in the whole problem. Common sense ! I know Martin is keen to close this thread. Whilst I understand, I wonder if locked threads are as disappointing as banned (or suspended) members. Since others clearly don't know Slinger, I feel obliged to defend his honour. He is part of the HFS team, but never indulges in the "negative hostility" which is all many see of HFS. He is a (fairly quiet and dignified) voice of reason and moderation. I have never known him indulge in the name-calling, whining and self-pity or any other "negative hostility" aspect of HFS. Hence the enigma. Clearly he sees something of value there which makes it worth staying. There certainly is more to HFS than its very public "mission" and hostility. However, I know I am not alone among those who once belonged in finding that the atmosphere of antagonism (and blind allegiance to its omniscient leader) took the shine off the more positive aspects. We find we enjoy life, music and HiFi more away from that environment. Closing this thread would give those who don't deserve it too much importance and yet again close a channel to an open discussion on the subject. Slinger is using his technical expertise to keep a self serving, abusive web site online which otherwise would just fade away into oblivion. |
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Post by chukka on Jun 10, 2015 13:45:07 GMT
Good grief! If you don't like HFS, don't read it. How difficult is that? Is it inextricably linked to your internet browser so you can't avoid reading it, or something? If you find life better without it, then put it out of your mind; don't discuss it, here or anywhere else, otherwise people might suspect that you're actually obsessed with it. Exactly, and boot all active hfs trolls so we don't have to put up with them here. It is quite obvious who they are. |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 10, 2015 13:47:23 GMT
I will add to Richard's appreciation of Slinger. He has been a gentleman on TAS at all times.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 10, 2015 13:51:21 GMT
If you don't like HFS, don't read it. How difficult is that? Agreed.
I will be locking this thread as it contains content initiated by DQ's suspension and we should draw a line under it all. If you wish to continue with anything discussed here (with the exception of DQ), please start a new thread in the General Chat area.
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Post by ChrisB on Jun 10, 2015 13:52:53 GMT
Though I would personally prefer not to have to lock this thread, I said before that I didn't want it to become an excuse for dancing on graves. Nor should it become the gathering place for a witch hunt - I'd rather that we all got back to the real reason TAS is here.
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