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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 16:03:33 GMT
Isn't it considered bad form to slag off a banned person, who has no right of reply? Usually, yes. However that does not stop ex-members doing it on a regular basis. "What goes around, comes around" springs to mind amongst many other expressions you could select. However, as I am merely a guest, I will abide by the rules set for this forum. That is why my post was kept factual.
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Post by ChrisB on Jun 3, 2015 16:07:14 GMT
You are quite simply incorrect. Have you finished now?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 16:12:52 GMT
Moderated Not helping
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 16:17:23 GMT
You are quite simply incorrect. Have you finished now? Frankly I have no more to say on the subject. Perhaps others have a view one way or another that they would like to express.
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Post by dvh on Jun 3, 2015 16:26:32 GMT
I think people need to get a grip. I never have understood why boxes and wires get people so het up and argumentative, especially if viewed from a 'subjectivist' point of view, where one person's perceptions are as valid as another's, and the sensible way to deal with any irreconcilable viewpoints is simply to agree to differ without making a huge fuss about it.
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Post by ynwan on Jun 3, 2015 17:09:03 GMT
I think the problem is that some people don't want to agree to differ - they actively seek out confrontation and wish to argue just for the sake of it.
To be honest, I don't really see the point in this thread or what the issue is. If a member of the forum has been warned regarding their behaviour but chooses to disregard that warning then it is inevitable they will be banned. Internet forums such as this are not democracies they are privately owned - those who own/moderate such forums are free to manage them as they wish and they certainly don't have to abide by a book of Internet definitions. If members of said forums don't like the way they are moderated they are free to leave.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 3, 2015 18:29:36 GMT
Anyone interested take a look at aka DQ's posts and form your own opinion.
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 3, 2015 18:43:24 GMT
I think the problem is that some people don't want to agree to differ - they actively seek out confrontation and wish to argue just for the sake of it. To be honest, I don't really see the point in this thread or what the issue is. If a member of the forum has been warned regarding their behaviour but chooses to disregard that warning then it is inevitable they will be banned. Internet forums such as this are not democracies they are privately owned - those who own/moderate such forums are free to manage them as they wish and they certainly don't have to abide by a book of Internet definitions. If members of said forums don't like the way they are moderated they are free to leave. Well said that man! I agree with you on all points raised.
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Post by aurender on Jun 5, 2015 19:20:15 GMT
Agreed. Very well put.
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Post by Sovereign on Jun 6, 2015 7:56:43 GMT
I think the problem is that some people don't want to agree to differ - they actively seek out confrontation and wish to argue just for the sake of it. To be honest, I don't really see the point in this thread or what the issue is. If a member of the forum has been warned regarding their behaviour but chooses to disregard that warning then it is inevitable they will be banned. Internet forums such as this are not democracies they are privately owned - those who own/moderate such forums are free to manage them as they wish and they certainly don't have to abide by a book of Internet definitions. If members of said forums don't like the way they are moderated they are free to leave. Very sensible post, or you could have just said, fit in or feck off.
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 6, 2015 10:09:32 GMT
Very sensible post, or you could have just said, fit in or feck off. You diplomat, you
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Post by Dave on Jun 9, 2015 13:35:18 GMT
Can I make a suggestion? Ban TAS members from discussing HFS and its membership entirely otherwise this open sore will never heal, it will have the added advantage of depriving them of their fun.
I stopped commenting on all things NVA and HFS some time ago for any number of reasons, but mainly because I had become increasingly irritated by the orchestrated agenda of disruption facilitated by a few joint members of both fora (anyone who has bothered to read HFS will be well aware that this campaign is indeed orchestrated).
Their 'modus operandi' is to disrupt other fora as much as possible by trolling members until they snap, thus in turn enabling them to accuse that member of disruptive behaviour. It's an insidious strategy and not particularly clever, but it works. This is, in actuality, a campaign of strategic trolling and it needs nipping in the bud right now. Anybody who happens to be a joint member of both TAS & HFS who engages, even in a minor way, in activity likely to prolong or support this agenda should be warned to cease and desist. Any further violations would be dealt with accordingly. Forgive me guys, and by 'guys' I mean the owners and moderators of TAS, but I've been away for a few months now and it saddens me to return to the same old shit, just a different day. I know you guys don't like banning members, but seriously, this fiasco has gone on for long enough and it needs dealing with decisively.
Now, I'd also like to issue a cautionary warning to any TAS members who may have purchased an NVA product: The proprietor of NVA keeps a record of all his customers email addresses for business purposes, as one might expect. Imagine my surprise then when I discovered an unsolicited personal email from this gentleman in my inbox. Some of you will be aware that myself and this person have a bit of a history, so I wasn't expecting the message within to be full of the joys of spring. Staggeringly though the message was reasonably polite, almost jovial, however it contained an attack on the owner of another hifi forum. I'm ashamed to admit that I engaged this gentleman in a manner that wasn't entirely friendly nor constructive (he had caught me on a very bad day unfortunately), and I also railed against his abusing my privacy by sending me a personal email, the address of which he had obviously lifted from his business list. His reply? Personal emails and their content are in the public interest. You have been warned...
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Post by MartinT on Jun 9, 2015 14:16:08 GMT
Ban TAS members from discussing HFS and its membership entirely I'm afraid I'm not in favour of this at all. I don't want us stifling any conversation that's appropriate to hi-fi in any manner. Despite notions to the contrary, we have no biases against NVA equipment and indeed some of it has been discussed in the past here on TAS. It would be impossible to filter the one from the other even if HFS claims to have no tie-in with NVA. All we have ever asked is that baggage from other forums be left at the door, especially bad blood between members.
Otherwise, everyone should feel free to raise subjects as they wish.
EDIT: we should also be aware that there remain members here who are also members of HFS. We have no issue with this at all, what is done elsewhere is not our concern.
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Post by Dave on Jun 9, 2015 14:18:58 GMT
Fair enough bud, I guess it's just a matter of us keeping our noses clean then. Anyway, I solemnly promise that this will be the last time 'I' mention the company, the forum and its proprietor. Life's too short...
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Post by pre65 on Jun 9, 2015 14:44:02 GMT
Hi Dave, how's your knob ?
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Post by Dave on Jun 9, 2015 15:14:56 GMT
Red & swollen... lmao XD
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Post by ynwan on Jun 10, 2015 8:39:56 GMT
There's far too much 'hand wringing' over membership bans as far as I'm concerned; it's only a Hi-Fi forum and not the last bastion of free speech - you aren't denying someone freedom of expression if you ban them from a privately owned and run forum - there are plenty of alternatives. As a last resort they can even set up their own forum and populate it with hate, lies and the pathetic dregs of society - if that's what they want to do....
Edit: talking of the HFS forum - I avoid any unpleasantness by just not reading it (I really don't). Occasionally people will PM or email me to tell me of some mention on said forum (which I rather they did not) but other than lies, hate and self congratulatory snide comments there doesn't seem to be any actual content so, for me, there's nothing worth visiting for.
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Post by dvh on Jun 10, 2015 8:59:42 GMT
There's far too much 'hand wringing' over membership bans as far as I'm concerned; it's only a Hi-Fi forum and not the last bastion of free speech - you aren't denying someone freedom of expression if you ban them from a privately owned and run forum - there are plenty of alternatives. As a last resort they can even set up their own forum and populate it with hate, lies and the pathetic dregs of society - if that's what they want to do.... What happens is that Person A is banned from Forum B. They then set up Forum C, and immediately the person who banned them from Forum A joins Forum C and starts stirring the pot, so Person A bans them from Forum C. It's a closed circle of people banning each other, with the vast majority of forum members looking on in bemusement, or amusement depending on what makes them laugh. Personally, I'd have a zero tolerance approach, with the first offence resulting in a permanent ban. Within days I'd be the only member of the forum, and could argue with myself until I crossed a metaphorical line and banned myself.
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Post by ynwan on Jun 10, 2015 9:06:29 GMT
RD did manage to get banned from his own forum and then had to set up another - fact is indeed stranger than fiction.
If person B is daft enough to join forum C then they shouldn't be surprised by the chaotic outcome.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 10, 2015 10:45:08 GMT
There's far too much 'hand wringing' over membership bans as far as I'm concerned; it's only a Hi-Fi forum and not the last bastion of free speech Acknowledged. However, I don't mind admitting that we have had our share of 'hand wringing' over the account suspensions we have had to impose. We don't like doing it and we never will. Hopefully it will remain a rare event.
We started off with the ideals of everyone being welcome and freedom of expression. However, that rapidly morphs into how to retain the majority of the membership by ejecting those who simply cannot co-exist with others.
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