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Post by Tim on Mar 21, 2023 17:03:09 GMT
What gear are you using nowadays? Not much has changed really Jules, although I do enjoy pour overs a lot more now I've a decent pourer. I always freshly grind whole beans, that'll never change (and like a proper nerd, a scale for precise measurement). My grinder is a Niche Zero, which is absolutely brilliant. I want a La Pavoni lever machine when I eventually move, but I have a kitchen you can't swing a cat in, with things I use daily in cupboards already (very annoying) as I have zero counter space left for anything else. Of my various brewers, I get the best results from a good old Bialetti Moka pot. Took me awhile to really find a 'consistent' brew method as like anything with coffee, you can't just bung it all in and hope for the best, unless you don't care about the end result. Order of preference out of what's here to make my daily brew; Moka Pot Pour Over Aeropress Technivorm Moccamaster for filter if I need a big batch . . . . . . . . and as a last resort, French Press Steve as really piqued my interest in trying a home roast though EDIT: It's strong, black and no sugar here too, pretty much always Americano style.
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 21, 2023 18:31:08 GMT
The Niche looks absolutely fab but I don't really have anywhere to put one, worktop space being almost non-existent. I would have to get a hand grinder until we eventually move.
I use my Bialetti when I run out of Aeropress coffee. I'm not a great fan of all the clean up, but it's a superb and timeless design. Up until the last usage I had been getting excellent and consistent results. I then bought a coffee that gave watery, pretty much undrinkable results no matter what I tried. The very reputable roaster checked the coffee and couldn't find any fault with the grind size or other, so it's a complete mystery to me. I'm used to Moka being strong, espresso-ish coffee! I will have another go this weekend with a different coffee I have bought several times before and hope I will be back in business ...
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 22, 2023 13:16:49 GMT
With the first brews of the Aeropress metal filter I'm struck by how much fresher the coffee tastes, no doubt due to the absence of stale oils in the hemp filter. Better clarity, definitely full bodied but tasting more subtle and nuanced, possibly due to getting more oils in the brew. Will be interesting to try it with my favourite coffees ... I'm very happy thus far. Seems to fit perfectly and doesn't fall out when using an inverted method. With filter installed, the cap screws on very securely and easily, unlike with the hemp. Only initial downside is there isn't much resistance when you push the plunger through, so a more difficult to control, but not a biggie. I'm now using my thumbs to press down with and not my hand, which gives me more control over speed. Clean up is super fast with much less hot water wasted! It's a nice design and good value at £17.99 delivered with very quick (free) delivery.
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Post by Tim on Mar 22, 2023 13:22:59 GMT
The Niche is great Jules, highly recommended. It's true to it's name of Zero as there is virtually zero retention when you grind beans, put 18g in and you'll pretty much always get 18g out +/- about 0.2g. It grinds very consistently from a true Espresso grind size to French Press. Only limitation is it's designed primarily as a single shot grinder, so the hopper only holds a maximum of 50g, so if I'm making a full pot on the Moccamaster, I have to do two grinds, but other than that it's brilliant.
Re your Bialetti issue, you haven't by any chance changed or renewed the gasket?
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Mar 22, 2023 14:19:16 GMT
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 22, 2023 14:19:16 GMT
I guess single shot might be ok for me. Aeropress is my daily dose and I do about four each day. How often does it need a good clean? Presumably for a single cup you just grind and go, no other bother ...
No I haven't changed anything in my Bialetti. I have my regular espresso ground coffee now so will try it soon. If all ok I'll just put it down to some unknown gremlins with the last one.
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Post by Tim on Mar 22, 2023 14:27:05 GMT
I guess single shot might be ok for me. Aeropress is my daily dose and I do about four each day. How often does it need a good clean? Presumably for a single cup you just grind and go, no other bother ... That's exactly what I do - weigh, grind and go, no other bother at all. It sits on the counter next to the whole beans container. Regarding cleaning . . . . hmm, probably not as often as I should, but I only make a max of 2 cups a day, sometimes 1, so I'm grinding about 35g a day on average. I guess about every 4/5 months and it's never clogged and it's easy to do.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:19:09 GMT
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 22, 2023 15:19:09 GMT
I guess single shot might be ok for me. Aeropress is my daily dose and I do about four each day. How often does it need a good clean? Presumably for a single cup you just grind and go, no other bother ... That's exactly what I do - weigh, grind and go, no other bother at all. It sits on the counter next to the whole beans container. Regarding cleaning . . . . hmm, probably not as often as I should, but I only make a max of 2 cups a day, sometimes 1, so I'm grinding about 35g a day on average. I guess about every 4/5 months and it's never clogged and it's easy to do. It does sound lovely. If I can persuade my wife to lose her food processor I might have somewhere to put one but I'm pretty sure I know the answer to that one.
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Post by Tim on Mar 23, 2023 11:47:51 GMT
I had got it wrong and thought longer times led to greater bitterness. Counter-intuitively, longer times lead to richer flavour and less bitterness. It's storage time in a non air-tight container that leads to bitterness. Duh! You are more likely to get bitterness from an Aeropress by pushing the plunger till it stops, you should stop at the hint of that first hiss from the brew chamber (not my idea, that's from the guy who invented them). Extending the brew time enriches the flavour and changing the water temperature going in can alter that flavour too, depending on the darkness of the roast. An Aeropress is probably the best bang for buck coffee maker you can buy, awesome little gadget, I've got two and one always goes with me when I travel - even to my mates houses! They mostly sneered at me at first, but every one now has an Aeropress. I'd call that a win
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Post by MartinT on Mar 23, 2023 11:55:09 GMT
You are more likely to get bitterness from an Aeropress by pushing the plunger till it stops, you should stop at the hint of that first hiss from the brew chamber (not my idea, that's from the guy who invented them). Good shout, Tim. I'd never thought of that and will try it. I do let the kettle cool down a bit before pouring and will be more careful with water temp, too.
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Post by Tim on Mar 23, 2023 12:03:50 GMT
It's fun playing around with water temps and brew times, very roast dependent though. General rule, lighter roast higher water temp. For dark roasts I tend to like below 90 degrees, but like anything it's trial and error and personal preference.
Seems like you guys have tried out filtration methods too, never heard of hemp papers before.
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 23, 2023 12:19:36 GMT
I'm an "all the way" man LOL.
Plenty of different views on that abound. If you want a laugh, try the brew 'recipe' that the Aeropress inventor was recommending - I couldn't actually drink it, was just horrendous!
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Mar 23, 2023 12:20:50 GMT
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 23, 2023 12:20:50 GMT
Seems like you guys have tried out filtration methods too, never heard of hemp papers before. I'm done with mine, don't know whether to bin it or smoke it ...
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Post by Tim on Mar 23, 2023 12:30:40 GMT
Well, I wasn't interested enough to think about trying it - sounds like it might alter the flavour. I'm definitely not trying it now though
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 23, 2023 15:23:09 GMT
This is the one I bought Tim, have a read - theclothfilter.coffee/shop/p/aeropressI liked the idea of the theoretical "best of both worlds" approach vs metal & paper, and not using paper filters from an environmental angle ... but here are the issues - 1. When it's new it's great but it starts storing stale old oils *very quickly* that just regular washing under gallons of hot water won't get out. These spoil the taste of your coffee, making it taste stale, which means boiling the filter in a pan of nice clean water to get rid. The real pain is how quickly these oils build up which means if you care about how your coffee tastes you will be boiling the thing at least once a week and more if you drink four a day like I do. 2. Far too much hot water is wasted cleaning it IMO which outweighs any other environmental claims for kudos. 3. Storage is best in water in the fridge or in the freezer to avoid smells and other nasties. I left it in water during the day and frozen over night. This is all extra faff. 4. Installing it in the Aeropress cap is a right royal pain as it creases so badly and it's difficult to flatten adequately. You press down on one part and it lifts on another, meaning you need to employ all your digits to flatten it evenly and often that doesn't work first attempt or more ... Get this wrong at your peril - if you end up with a tiny gap around the edges, your coffee full of grinds will flood through when you start to plunge, and so you start again. Frustrating much.
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Post by Tim on Mar 23, 2023 16:04:39 GMT
Fascinating, not something I'd be interested in though, I don't like the sound of that at all. And my goodness what a faff - you said cleaning a Moka pot was faff I just use regular Aeropress papers, but I do reuse them, probably get about half a dozen brews out of one before changing it. I liked the idea of metal filters, very eco, but that didn't last long either, really didn't like the flavour. I dislike French press coffee and a metal filter gave too close a result to that for my taste, but I know loads love that more robust and earthy flavour a metal filter gives. So I'm pretty boring and use the Aeropress as is - although I am a bit racy with it and use the inverted method
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 23, 2023 19:02:26 GMT
Any thoughts on grinders that are a step above entry level but a bit more wallet friendly than the Niche?
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Post by Tim on Mar 23, 2023 19:10:53 GMT
I had a Wilfa for years and loved it, still have it actually and bought it on James' recommendation. I doubt you would be disappointed for the money and it's a big step up from those whizzy cheap blade grinders.
Only thing I'd say is don't buy anything around the 50 quid mark like a Krups, you'll be wanting a step up from there pretty quick, as they really are budget. Noisy, loads of chaff and static and not a very consistent grind - fresh pre-ground is better than a poorly ground whole bean from a budget grinder..
IMO you need to be in and around the 100 mark before you get value for money, normally just over 100. James has lots of very good reviews for grinders on his channel, but I was very happy with the Wilfa.
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 23, 2023 19:20:36 GMT
Yes indeed I was looking at this and the Baratza Encore earlier.
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Post by Tim on Mar 23, 2023 19:26:35 GMT
Yes indeed I was looking at this and the Baratza Encore earlier. I shortlisted that too, but there was I reason I discounted it . . . . unfortunately it was that long ago, I've forgotten . . . which happens a lot these days!
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 23, 2023 20:16:35 GMT
I'll buy the Wilfa when circumstances allow. Looks ideal.
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