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Post by pre65 on Sept 7, 2015 7:50:28 GMT
I like to use a thermistor (or inrush limiter) on my amps and I would speculate that as the voltage build up is more gradual it gives the components much less of a jolt on start-up ?
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Post by Guest on Sept 7, 2015 9:22:23 GMT
I'm unsure, the matter seems open to interpretation, what do you think?
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Post by pre65 on Sept 7, 2015 9:40:47 GMT
I've just said what I think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 15:07:04 GMT
Electrolytic capacitors wear out over time with heat hugely accelerating the wear. This is the biggest single cause of equipment failure or poor performance if gear is left on 24/7. Solid state components do have some mechanisms which, depending on design and manufacturing methods, can cause failure after many hours of use. These are generally "electron migration" effects in which impurities or even intended substances in the manufacturing process can move on an atomic level to cause defects in the device. On the other hand though solid state devices can last almost indefinitely so it's a bit of a lottery and can effect some parts but not others, depending on manufacturer and the process used in construction. We are generally talking many years of use though (20+). As to switching on and off causing problems for solid state devices that's generally bollocks. Think of a switch mode power supply!.... on and off 100,000 times a second or so! The bridge rectifier can be stressed by the switch on surge if there is a huge amount of smoothing capacitance and a very large transformer. Soft start circuits are usually fitted in such circumstances though. Tripping of mains circuit breakers at switch on can be a big problem if not fitted. The massive rating of rectifiers for short term overloads usually prevents issues (100 x or so the continuous rating). Fuses will sometimes blow at switch on due to many cycles of heating, expansion and contraction at switch on causing a form of metal fatigue. This is especially common with anti-surge fuses used with a toroidal transformer (toroidals have much bigger switch on surge current than conventional ones). This is pretty much the only time a fuse goes with no other fault being present and replacing the fuse cures the problem... for several years. Resistors of certain types can be a problem over time. Carbon composition resistors tend to go high over time and especially so if a high voltage is across them. Hence it being so common to find resistors in vintage valve gear that have gone from lets say a marked 100K value to an actual measured 160K! Other than that there are of course random failures.... parts of whatever type which although well within their ratings and used correctly become faulty for no apparent reason (there really is usually no reason. It's just one of those things). These can be awkward to fix as often the part that's gone is under no suspicion and is only found after all the "usual suspects" have been checked out...
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Post by MartinT on Sept 8, 2015 7:35:54 GMT
I've already said that I leave my gear on as it sounds so much better warmed up and I grab chances to listen whenever I can.
Consumption is minimal so I'm not worried about the bill (or, rather, I'm used to it).
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 8, 2015 7:42:39 GMT
My stuff is all switched off when not in use, except for one of the phono stages which doesn't have a switch. It's better when warmed up and that takes about 20 minutes - something I'm happy to live with.
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Post by Sovereign on Sept 8, 2015 9:32:04 GMT
I obviously leave my class a amplifier off when not in use, when I had class A/B amps I always left them on 24/7 Now the only thing that I leave on is my balanced to power supply that I made Before I have a sitdown to listen I turn everything on for 20 minutes or so and if I'm being really fussy I'll play some music quietly during that time while I'm pouring a glass of wine et cetera, I also make all of my own gear so I prefer to leave it off to eliminate any niggling doubts
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Post by Sovereign on Sept 8, 2015 9:34:44 GMT
I like to use a thermistor (or inrush limiter) on my amps and I would speculate that as the voltage build up is more gradual it gives the components much less of a jolt on start-up ? Do you not use an inrush limiter on your amps now? If not why not, as I'm thinking of fitting one to my BPS,
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Post by pre65 on Sept 8, 2015 11:38:20 GMT
Yes, I use them on all my amps.
Make sure you get one rated above the likely inrush level (amps wise) as they can be damaged.
I've got a couple more for my forthcoming SECA build.
When I tried a balanced mains transformer (1000va) I used a 9 amp version.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 11:41:47 GMT
I switch everything off cos im so paranoid. However im more than happy with how things sound from cold.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 15:35:00 GMT
Few things seem to need more than about half an hour to warm up. Some Naim CD players seem to benefit from more, but I'd far rather live with a short warm up than ocercook my kit from the inside. My instincts agree with Jez and his expert advice is enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 16:18:49 GMT
I Have changed tact over the years, the amps now I switch off, warm up time is minimal.
Some CD players have large heavy chassis (some amps too) and they do require time to come up to thermal equilibrium and they do sound different until that point. However not many in that category.
The small dac's/pre/phono's/streamers which idle at 0.5w fine I leave them on.
Other wise all off
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Sept 8, 2015 17:09:50 GMT
I like to use a thermistor (or inrush limiter) on my amps and I would speculate that as the voltage build up is more gradual it gives the components much less of a jolt on start-up ? Do you not use an inrush limiter on your amps now? If not why not, as I'm thinking of fitting one to my BPS, I had to fit one to mine as it tripped the breaker every time on switch on.
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Post by Sovereign on Sept 8, 2015 21:42:41 GMT
Do you not use an inrush limiter on your amps now? If not why not, as I'm thinking of fitting one to my BPS, I had to fit one to mine as it tripped the breaker every time on switch on. Yes mine also does, that's why I leave it on all the time. I'm thinking of fitting inrush protection as it gives me the option to take it to someone else's house to let them hear the effect of good balanced power , I took my mother bps to electricbeachs house but I couldn't instal it as he has an old Wylex fuse wire board and it would have tripped that out every time
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Post by John on Sept 9, 2015 4:22:53 GMT
When I has Balanced mains I used to leave it on all the time for the same reasons The only thing I leave on these days is the Inuke just mostly convenience and not to worried about that breaking as not going to break the bank to replace.
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