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Post by Greg on Feb 26, 2015 20:10:29 GMT
Using my 401, I often find some LP's, especially new production, are a really tight fit over the spindle making it necessary to stop the player in order to drop or remove an LP onto or from the platter. I appreciate the 401 was made when Imperial measurements were used. Do others have this problem as well and does anyone have a favoured solution? I know I could probably obtain a relevant size reaming bit, but wonder if others with this problem have an favoured fix. Please let me know what you think
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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 26, 2015 21:09:39 GMT
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 26, 2015 21:19:28 GMT
If it's really bad, I just poke about a bit with a pencil but usually they do go on with a bit of persuasion. It helps to leave the platter spinning to get them off though. After a few plays, they're fine - a neat fit but OK.
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Post by Paul Barker on Feb 26, 2015 22:52:08 GMT
My 301 grips hard. I just put them on and off at rest with whatever force it takes.never is it an insignificant amount of force. Always with all my records a tug of war.
So you aren't alone.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Feb 26, 2015 23:40:31 GMT
Yep, snap. I use a Reso Mat, so have no qualms leaving the platter spinning whilst forcing the disc on or off..
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Post by Paul Barker on Feb 27, 2015 0:10:01 GMT
Perhaps Garrard intended it this way. No risk of slip always a benefit surely?
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 27, 2015 0:22:45 GMT
It's a double edged sword, I should think. Don't forget that at the other end of the spindle is a grinding device (for which, read bearing) albeit a finely engineered one. I'd think that removing the record from contact with that would be a bonus from the point of view of noise transmission. You may know that Roksan tried to dodge this by having a removable spindle on their decks. Am I the first person to see the parallel between a pestle and mortar and a turntable bearing? Surely not!
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Post by Paul Barker on Feb 27, 2015 0:34:17 GMT
Well yes this flashed through my mind also. Actually what flashed through was the thought that this contact was the dominant contact, which would lessen the benefit of niche purchases in the record matt market. Myself having the Stock 301 matt wouldn't know about that.
I get my best sound when I rest the record on three drawing pins themselves blue tacked to the Garrard matt, But it is oh so fernickety and not really worth the difficulties associated with it. All be it inspight of difficulties it sounds considerably better than the central pin grab.
in my perfect world maybe one day I shall build a three point of contact support in which the central hole can be centred to the bearing protrusion with a gadget of my own construction, which is afterward removed. So... another idea which I shan't live long enough to construct.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 8:32:52 GMT
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Post by Greg on Feb 27, 2015 21:17:57 GMT
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Post by Paul Barker on Feb 27, 2015 21:27:00 GMT
You got it m8! I had the marble one and let it go for a song when I was more of a fool than I am today. I did also own my 301 at the same time; on balance I prefer the 301 but it was not an even battle. The 301 excelled at bass and miss the transcriptors excelled at upper treble and extreme treble. neither deck let itself down overall compared to most other decks in the price range ordinary working men like me can afford. It is a simple matter of your personal weighting . on balance the excellent bass of the 301 won me over. I don't put as much emphasis on the need for top end as most people I meet at gatherings, I usually find what they play and what they play it on assaults my peace with loud disturbing top end.probably just me.
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Post by Paul Barker on Feb 27, 2015 21:31:49 GMT
Well rejected Greg. furthermore a drill bit is not your friend here, neither is the conical reamer. You want an adjustable almost parallel reamer for a perfect circle correctly sized.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 27, 2015 21:36:00 GMT
I reckon any sort of reaming is bad, bad, bad. You don't want any tiny flakes of vinyl knocking around your valuable grooves do you? I'll stick with my pencil, thanks.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Feb 27, 2015 22:23:36 GMT
I'd stick to using one for the removal of ear wax. A classic Steely Dan hit too: Reaming In The Ears.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 27, 2015 22:44:19 GMT
Indeed. A tale of the result of the evil crime of the international smuggling of citrus fruit.
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Post by Barry on Feb 28, 2015 3:03:59 GMT
I used to use the pointed end of a potato peeler! I don't like the idea of 'screwing' a tight-fitting record on and off the platter, any more than I would use a heavy weight rather than a record clamp.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 28, 2015 15:01:23 GMT
I use the Technics' torque to spin the platter and persuade the record on or off the spindle. The Stillpoints weight then ensures it is on the spindle and fully down.
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Post by Greg on Feb 28, 2015 21:03:51 GMT
I use the Technics' torque to spin the platter and persuade the record on or off the spindle. The Stillpoints weight then ensures it is on the spindle and fully down. Well, yes, that is what I do with the considerable torque of the Garrard, but it is still a PITA compared to just dropping a record over the spindle. I don't like clamps or weights. I think they interfere with the sound and weights are not good for wear on a Garrard type bearing base. Oh and it all gets very complicated. www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~yosh/standards_table.htmI think I will mic' my own spindle and then buy a bit from the likes of RS to the closest tolerance oversize. I don't think using a drill bit as a reamer should be a problem and making a jig to ensure a proper vertical application ensuring a square sided cut should not be difficult.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 28, 2015 22:37:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 0:25:30 GMT
All the above suggestions are completely over the top and dangerous to records and deck. Simple solution is roll up a piece of medium grade wet/dry abrasive paper. Insert in record centre hole and turn back and forward until just fits over spindle. In my experience undersize record holes are all too common. It isn't the spindle that is too large as had the same issue on a number of decks.
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