Post by karatestu on Mar 3, 2021 7:21:37 GMT
I didn't know exactly where to put this - speakers, amps, other. Plonked it in speakers
Not much is written about these, most writing is about speaker level or active (opamps etc and power supply). Being of the less is more school of thought all my experimenting with audio has backed up this ideology and my ears like it. When I discovered nva I realised that RD's philosophy aligned largely with my own. His hate of active xovers was obvious. I have never tried an active xover mainly because I view it as an evil (may be a blinkered view) just like any other filter. Removal of several filters throughout my system have yielded large improvements (in my case).
I have experience with passive speaker level xovers but never tried doing it at line level so it was an obvious thing to try. PLLX is difficult to do past second order so just as well that I only required first order. There are filters that use inductors but I wanted to steeer away from them and just use capacitors and resistors -kiss. Having doped my own drivers for a while now (RD style) and run them full range then I didn't need a line level low pass filter. But a single order high pass for the tweeter was required. Getting every component removed between all power amps and all drivers was a very luring prospect for me.
As I use six channels of nva amp boards in my diy integrated amp (with remote psu's) I decided to slip the PLLX in the input stage of said amps. There is no input coupling cap on these but the first component is a resistor to ground. So I used that as the resistor and soldered in a polystyrene cap before it. Job done, as easy as that. Only one component required. The sound was improved noticeably sfter this due to either the removal of a component between amp and driver or the change from big capacitor to small 560pf polystyrene.
I didn't stop there however such is a tweaker's life. It dawned on me that the signal to the tweeters were going through one more filter compared to the mid bass. I devised a plan to even this out. My sources have a dc blocking output coupling cap on each channel. I decided to remove these and their associated resistor to ground. But now I still had one more filter in the tweeter signal chain than the mid bass and the mid bass had no dcblocking at all.
The answer was to put the dc blocking coupling caps at the input of the four mid bass amps (I have up and down firing bipolar mid bass). This required four 3.3uf wima film caps, one soldered in series with the signal on each amp board. This was just as good an improvement as the last tweak. It was if some timing clicked into place and more hidden details emerged. I am very impressed with it and not going back to the speaker level high pass filters. The only thing I worry about now is the lack of protection against dc that the tweeters now have but then the mid bass have never had this protection. Tweeters are delicate things so I am being very careful. Luckily my amps have no turn on thump.
I would recommend this approach to anybody who has the inclination to try and their speakers have simple first order filters. I get away with first order because I have four tweeters per channel and the high pass corner frequency is high (approx 7Khz).
Not much is written about these, most writing is about speaker level or active (opamps etc and power supply). Being of the less is more school of thought all my experimenting with audio has backed up this ideology and my ears like it. When I discovered nva I realised that RD's philosophy aligned largely with my own. His hate of active xovers was obvious. I have never tried an active xover mainly because I view it as an evil (may be a blinkered view) just like any other filter. Removal of several filters throughout my system have yielded large improvements (in my case).
I have experience with passive speaker level xovers but never tried doing it at line level so it was an obvious thing to try. PLLX is difficult to do past second order so just as well that I only required first order. There are filters that use inductors but I wanted to steeer away from them and just use capacitors and resistors -kiss. Having doped my own drivers for a while now (RD style) and run them full range then I didn't need a line level low pass filter. But a single order high pass for the tweeter was required. Getting every component removed between all power amps and all drivers was a very luring prospect for me.
As I use six channels of nva amp boards in my diy integrated amp (with remote psu's) I decided to slip the PLLX in the input stage of said amps. There is no input coupling cap on these but the first component is a resistor to ground. So I used that as the resistor and soldered in a polystyrene cap before it. Job done, as easy as that. Only one component required. The sound was improved noticeably sfter this due to either the removal of a component between amp and driver or the change from big capacitor to small 560pf polystyrene.
I didn't stop there however such is a tweaker's life. It dawned on me that the signal to the tweeters were going through one more filter compared to the mid bass. I devised a plan to even this out. My sources have a dc blocking output coupling cap on each channel. I decided to remove these and their associated resistor to ground. But now I still had one more filter in the tweeter signal chain than the mid bass and the mid bass had no dcblocking at all.
The answer was to put the dc blocking coupling caps at the input of the four mid bass amps (I have up and down firing bipolar mid bass). This required four 3.3uf wima film caps, one soldered in series with the signal on each amp board. This was just as good an improvement as the last tweak. It was if some timing clicked into place and more hidden details emerged. I am very impressed with it and not going back to the speaker level high pass filters. The only thing I worry about now is the lack of protection against dc that the tweeters now have but then the mid bass have never had this protection. Tweeters are delicate things so I am being very careful. Luckily my amps have no turn on thump.
I would recommend this approach to anybody who has the inclination to try and their speakers have simple first order filters. I get away with first order because I have four tweeters per channel and the high pass corner frequency is high (approx 7Khz).