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Post by jandl100 on Feb 14, 2021 10:31:10 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Feb 14, 2021 11:03:17 GMT
While I love much music from my youth, there was also a lot of unadulterated crap from that period, too, as with any other.
However, I love music from other periods and many contemporary songs, too.
I don't get too nostalgic about music from my period. As for classical, almost all my listening is by dead composers so that doesn't tally, either.
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Post by petea on Feb 14, 2021 11:11:19 GMT
It certainly fits from my perspective and there are various pieces of music that I both enjoy and are very evocative of a certain time; I even have a soft spot for "Yes Sir I can Boogie" for goodness sake!. Like Martin there are many other musicians and pieces of music that I heard first later in life that would feature highly in my 'top ten' too. And in that list would be some classical pieces although, again, some of those I can anchor to a certain time when I heard them first in my more formative years. A specific example would be "Concierto de Aranjuez" by Rodrigo.
Actually, that would make an interesting thread: 'my desert island discs'.
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Post by jandl100 on Feb 14, 2021 11:16:01 GMT
Actually, that would make an interesting thread: 'my desert island discs'. ...."and when I first heard them" would provide interesting information relevant to this particular thread!
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Post by jandl100 on Feb 14, 2021 11:22:04 GMT
As for classical, almost all my listening is by dead composers so that doesn't tally, either. ... It might tie in with when you first heard them. Personally, while I've not really thought about it, my immediate reaction is the same as yours, Martin. A thread on Desert Island Discs might well be interesting, and would likely introduce each of us to new music to investigate as well - always a good thing!
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 14, 2021 12:36:12 GMT
If one is serious about music any period has wonderful music, albeit a tiny percentage of that produced
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Post by John on Feb 14, 2021 14:20:04 GMT
Whilst I can be nostalgic about music from my youth I mostly see it as music I grown out. I tend to be in the minority that wants the music I listen too to keep on developing.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 14, 2021 14:40:04 GMT
I agree about 'when I first heard it', that would tell us more than yet another top ten thread.
Great idea!
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Post by speedysteve on Feb 14, 2021 15:04:05 GMT
Whilst I can be nostalgic about music from my youth I mostly see it as music I grown out. I tend to be in the minority that wants the music I listen too to keep on developing. Yeah this and what Martin & Mike said. You definitely grow out of some stuff. I think there are many different types of brains out there - There may be a stereotypical type and it may dominate but it is not the only type by any means. I love all sorts of music, new and old, esp female vocal, English, Swedish, French being my favourites. 'You are as old as the female vocal you listen too'😀
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 14, 2021 17:43:14 GMT
Will always remember a school mate came around my place, around mid 80s. Playing The Kinks at the time He said I was living in the past which took me by surprise. What he didn't know was all the other music I played and the gigs I went to. Bloke at work considered Mahavishnu, Birds of Fire as "dated" - just wonderful to me
Some music is just plain good no matter when it was made and yes some of it does lose its appeal.
Most of this is directed at 'normal' people and I noticed it years ago. A snapshot of a few years, teens into 20s and that's it. The end
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Post by Slinger on Feb 14, 2021 17:47:18 GMT
I tend to think of it in the same way as I do food from my youth. I was blessed with a mum and a granny who were both excellent cooks. Cakes were never made, they were baked, and I'm not sure my granny ever bought a loaf of bread until the making of it got too much for her arthritic hands. She would buy salt in blocks, which I would then grind down for her using one of these arcane devices... My late wife - or me come to that - could use the same ingredients, follow a recipe from my mum, or my granny, and it would never taste the same. Something as basic as her custard - Birds custard powder and fresh milk - never tasted as good as my mum's, made in the same way with the same two ingredients. I take that to be caused as much by the memory of the - in this case - custard as the actual taste of it. It's the same with music. Bearing in mind much of it was played on a tinny little transistor radio it obviously wasn't the quality of the recording that impressed me, even subconsciously. It's the associations, both broad strokes like the fact I have great affection for the old pirate stations, and after them DJs like John Peel, Paul Raven, Bob Harris, Kenny Everett, etc. I associate those songs with those memories. in other cases there are more refined memories. Minnie Ripperton's "Loving You". Play the first few bars and I'm back in Greenwich Park, and that's where we'll leave that particular memory. It's as much about what you're hearing with your mind as it is about what you are hearing with your ears I think. Having said all that, there are obviously albums that stand the test of time and are what we call "classics," but they are relatively few and far between when contrasted to the huge amount of music that there is. Hotel California, Dark Side.., My Aim Is True, Wish You Were Here, Ziggy, classics all, and they stand up on the strength of the music alone. They transcend simple memory. I've told the story before, but I was staying in a hotel, the owner of which was an ex pirate DJ, and he had tapes of things like the last days of Radio Caroline. A group of us assembled in the bar one evening and he put some of the tapes on. The memories were fantastic, and we all shared different stories about the pirate days, but so much of the actual music was utter crap. None of us remembe4red it being that bad, but a lot of it was just pure commercial pop pap. That's not what we all remembered though, it was the whole pirate radio experience, and we just thought the music, which we didn't really remember, must have been great, because the experience was. A large proportion of my collection is from the 1970s (not to mention the 1870s and the 1770s) and some of it is, to my mind, truly brilliant, some of it... well, the memories are brilliant. Happily, I'm still discovering new music, it's just not the same as my old stuff though, no matter how good it is.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 14, 2021 18:16:36 GMT
I also found the converse to be true. So many of my friends in my first year of university scorned the prog rock that I was still listening to, preferring the new punk rock which had completely taken over NME and Melody Maker. Now, I would listen to my music and think that it had not changed, it was great when I was listening to it 5 years ago and it was still great. I also heard 999 and The Alarm and other punk bands who came and performed at uni and I thought they were largely shit. Not just the music, you understand. Many of them could barely play their instrument. Not so The Police, of course.
So my early influences of Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Hawkwind, Genesis, Yes, Deep Purple, ELP etc. are the lasting ones. Punk left me with very little to remember it by.
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Post by John on Feb 14, 2021 19:45:43 GMT
So my tastes when I started to get into music included bands like Blue Oyster Cult, UFO, Diamond Head and Rush and whilst I can still listen and enjoy them I rarely listen to them now. Rush was the only one I really followed through the years. I enjoy going down music rabbit holes as you never really know where it going to take you. for instance my interest in Contemporary classical music was following a rabbit hole as was my love of world fusion and modern cello music.
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Post by John on Feb 14, 2021 19:53:30 GMT
I would say it was my love of music was the first time I ever felt like I belonged was with music I would venture down London every week and buy 1 to 4 albums a week as well as see as many concerts as I could. The friends I made where the same we just all loved music and did everything we could to absorb that life. Most of my memories is more associated to going to a great concert. I was lucky gigs were cheap and I was fortunate enough to attend somewhere close to 2500 concerts before the first lockdown.
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Post by julesd68 on Feb 14, 2021 21:13:48 GMT
I heard a couple in the park today moaning about the 90's being so much better than today's music - made me smile.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 15, 2021 12:28:08 GMT
Classical music is an interesting genre that breaks the o/p proposal.
Apparently, Mahler was not at all popular until the 1960s, some 50 years after his death, so popularity is more down to one or two conductors/performers championing the music and, of course, available recordings. Conversely, Philip Glass has built quite a reputation and his music is regularly performed while he is still alive.
Classical music is equally prone to fashion but it doesn't tally well with what was played in our youth.
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Post by Clive on Feb 16, 2021 18:22:50 GMT
Some of the discussion has been genre based, eg prog vs punk. It’s not really possible to make any judgement about which is “better”. Indeed this more than anything is enmeshed with their era...especially with punk protesting the then situation.
For music heavily influenced by earlier era work, whilst there’s some really good modern albums, I feel much won’t be seen as a classic in the future. Whether the success rate for such music is worse or better than “the originals” needs a thesis to analyse. We have 60s to 80s or 90s, so 20 to 30 years to compare against so possibly the numbers are in favour with old guys music for now.
Yes tastes change, my favourite genres which really move me are bebop and hard bop, both before my time (well...mostly), my parents barely listened to music so I wasn’t influenced by them.
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Post by Slinger on Feb 16, 2021 19:09:55 GMT
Speaking as a die-hard Prog fan who got caught up in the Punk whirlwind and listens to both now, plus many more types of music I rather hope I can't be genre-typed.
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Post by Clive on Feb 16, 2021 19:25:19 GMT
Speaking as a die-hard Prog fan who got caught up in the Punk whirlwind and listens to both now, plus many more types of music I rather hope I can't be genre-typed. I wasn’t trying to genre-type, it was that I was trying to say it’s impossible to compare genres. Whilst I have favourites for which I feel most emotion I too listen to a wide set of genres eg jazz, classical (two very wide genres), prog, rock, country...pretty much everything except opera (maybe one day).
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Post by MartinT on Feb 16, 2021 19:47:26 GMT
I'm fairly eclectic in my tastes these days, but I still don't like much punk yet I will happily listen to 'modern prog' such as Steven Wilson.
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