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Post by MartinT on Apr 22, 2023 20:24:15 GMT
You're way past any problems I ever had with either of my Rendus. I think I mentioned DNS but I'm fairly sure that was a BT problem. Still, might be worth putting the Google DNS IPs into your router in case it's your ISP.
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Post by Tim on Apr 22, 2023 20:52:37 GMT
I've just been reading a thread on ASR and there was a guy complaining that Roon can't queue up more than 5,000 tracks. I'm struggling to picture a scenario where you'd actually have a need to do that?
I wouldn't want to cope with 1% of that.
That'll be a test for the rendu Steve!
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Post by MartinT on Apr 22, 2023 20:56:31 GMT
I even do things that could break the system but don't. Just now I exited Bubble, removed an entry in one Qobuz playlist that had become an 'extract', found the new version of the album in Qobuz and added the entry in again. Then reloaded Bubble while it was still playing a song. It showed the album and track progress, continuing from where it had left off. Checking the playlist, the new entry is there.
That's good software writing and interaction with the Rendu and DLNA. It's why I like this combination - remarkably stable.
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Post by speedysteve on Apr 22, 2023 21:57:19 GMT
Thing is, what I'm doing is not unreasonable, the problem has occurred even with the most basic use.
If you demo your system to someone and there's limited time, you need to skip tracks, playlists, search, play, queue etc.
Trying to provoke it / reproduce it has led me to test it out somewhat.
I'm currently trying the Proxy setting in both Local and cloud, and specifically under Qobuz..
So far playing fine 🙂
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Post by MartinT on Apr 22, 2023 22:38:12 GMT
If you demo your system to someone and there's limited time, you need to skip tracks, playlists, search, play, queue etc. I do agree - at first I experienced nervousness when I had friends around for a session after going down the streaming route. Things really could go wrong and sometimes there were glitches. This was during the Pi and Asus running Volumio times. Now, I don't worry about demoing the system. It's reliable and predictable.
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Post by speedysteve on Apr 22, 2023 22:49:08 GMT
Yes. Interestingly since ticking the Proxy setting under Qobuz, the jump to Playing now, when selecting a track in a playlist does actually jump to the playing now screen! It resolutely has refused to do that recently - as in a couple of weeks.
I never had this kind of issue with Volumio, had other minor problems though🙂
Roll on Qobuz connect and it's implementation into all streamers - haha!
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Post by speedysteve on May 1, 2023 22:28:51 GMT
Since switching to Tidal I have not experienced a single 0.0 seconds flashing play lockup in well over a week of regular use. Have done all I could to provoke the problem. Same playlists abuse, and use cases etc.
I've been in contact with Jesus of Sonore updating him and sending him the most recent lockup Dac diagnostics etc. He's looked into Gustard specs, and even Najda Dac / DSP. I've reported the file based and streaming systems and configurations I've used over the years.
He believes the problem is somewhere between Rendu and Gustard reclocker.
He going to send me a V2.8 SD card so I can see if I experience the same stability as others have with the Bubble UPnP android app / Qobuz hi-res / Rendu / Gustard.
I've not found out exactly what the differences between V2.8v and 2.9 are! In the beginning he didn't believe I would have been sent 2.9, but that's what Small Green Computer sent me.
I'll soon be back on Qobuz testing V2.8.
We'll see.
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Post by MartinT on May 2, 2023 5:02:02 GMT
Also, just for elimination, try a different USB cable.
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Post by speedysteve on May 2, 2023 6:54:29 GMT
Also, just for elimination, try a different USB cable. Yes, that was the first thing Jesus said. I tried, usual one is the one that came with the Gustard.
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Post by speedysteve on May 2, 2023 21:30:09 GMT
Just had the same lock up, for the very first time using Tidal. Thought it was charmed, but no!
Same recovery procedure.
Roll on V2.8 to test.
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Post by speedysteve on May 5, 2023 11:21:44 GMT
Ooh just arrived V2.8 I trust - lacking a bit of SW configuration management labelling😂
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Post by speedysteve on May 5, 2023 15:25:49 GMT
Had time at lunch to swap it in. After a bit of faff Rendu not being visible on my VFE router connected IP devices (VFE app), Green light on the back of Rendu.. Was showing the old V2.9 (.20). it showed up as .22, hurrah! Going to sonicorbiter.com didn't work either?! Phone browser wouldn't see it.. Other phone I use as Bubble UPnP worked with sonicorbiter.com and .22.
Once in, set to DLNA, Tidal and Qobuz settings.
It's def V2.8👍
Bubble UPnP now could see it and worked fine.
Instantly when playing a track from a playlist it takes me to the Playing Now screen! Every time without fail! That's only worked patchily / not at all recently! Very odd that. Would Renderer be able to mess that up in Bubble? I can only report what I find!
Also jumping tracks / playlists and playing is noticeably faster.
Listening tests, first on Tidal and then on Qobuz, can now begin!
Don't ditch your V2.8 for V2.9 is my current advice!
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Post by MartinT on May 5, 2023 16:55:41 GMT
Good advice, I'm staying with 2.8. Could your 2.9 be a beta released to you in error?
Yes, I've had the Playing Now set to show when selecting a track from anywhere for quite a while. I've even tried to break 2.8 by wildly selecting from different playlists and leaving it running overnight.
Nope, stable as a rock.
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Post by julesd68 on May 5, 2023 21:03:58 GMT
Yes good to know that 2.8 is the daddy.
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Post by speedysteve on May 10, 2023 6:56:41 GMT
Since last writing I've had the same lock up with Tidal. One evening I had it 3 times!
I refined the recovery procedure to -
Change DLNA to Spotify connect in Rendu. Turn Gustard Reclocker off (wait 20 secs) and on. All is restored and plays via Spotify and Bubble UPnP if DLNA is selected in Rendu.
This is good as it avoids the long reboot of Rendu wait.
Also good as clarifies Rendu is not completely seizing up.
So, nothing to do with 24/192 or long playlists as originally thought.
I sent the logs etc to Jesus of Sonore, he reviewed.
From the above he feels it's more likely a Gustard Reclocker problem.
Ages ago he asked what USB cable I was using between Rendu and Gustard. The one that came with Gustard.. He didn't mention it again.
Since then, I did try a regular and somewhat ancient USB printer cable.
First time with that the fault did not manifest. I was convinced it was not the cable and went back to the nicer looking Gustard one😂
After the 3 in row problems with Tidal, I switched to the Printer USB cable again. No problems since!
I even went back to Qobuz and 24/192 yesterday. Could not provoke the problem, not once.
Can it be the cable? - hard to believe but... I feel it will probably strike at some point.
It's not such a big deal, bring able to fix in 20 secs.
If it does strike again and again, not the cable then. Jesus suspects from the recovery procedure not involving a Rendu reboot, that the Gustard is losing it?
Warranty card at the ready... It's under 2 months old.
If Gustard goes back, I'll have to use WaveIO USB to receive Rendu's signal. That in itself could be a good test / help eliminate Rendu further.
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Post by petea on May 10, 2023 7:45:53 GMT
I guess it could be the cable. Some variants don't connect the power cores and it seems that some receiving-end devices, even if they do not use the power, use its presence to 'wake up' a circuit. I used to have the same signal path from Fidata to Lab12 Reference DAC and same type of cables in both the UK and Germany (the UK one now has an Innuos PhoenixUSB in the path and Germany will get one soon). In the UK it all works perfectly. However in Germany, when I bring the system out of standby I have to unplug briefly the USB and then plug it back in for the Fidata app to detect the DAC. It never disappears 'in service' though. The only difference is that the German cable is twice as long.
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Post by MartinT on May 10, 2023 7:49:51 GMT
USB cables are subject to stringent bandwidth requirements and we all know that many cheap Chinese cables do not pass. Gustard could have thrown anything into the box. Mine is still in its cable tie. I have absolutely no problems with my Mad Scientist Ultra USB, but then I would not expect to.
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Post by petea on May 10, 2023 8:01:04 GMT
One consequence of my response was to check the firmware in the Fidata and found there is an update available - which is installing as I type. I thought they were both set to auto-update so it is possible that the UK one is on a more recent version - it is powered off at the moment so I cannot log in remotely to check, but I will next week when I'm back.
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Post by speedysteve on May 10, 2023 8:32:02 GMT
Hehe, the Gustard USB cable works fine communicating between Najda system connect and Laptop, but that's another use case.
We'll see.
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Post by MartinT on May 10, 2023 9:43:37 GMT
USB is usually used asynchronously and that won't care about the odd disconnect.
Synchronous use is more subject to breaks in communication.
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