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Post by tim1750 on Apr 16, 2018 11:07:21 GMT
Hi Guy's i'm looking for a SACD player that's either a dvd or bluray player and I need help and suggestions i'm only looking to pay up to 300 quid max so I know there won't me too much around but your input would be gratefully received .
I did meant to say that I need a readable display on the unit as i'm some distance for my tv and won't be using it for video
All the best
Tim
Sorry I forgot to say that i'm looking for a unit with digital out ( preferably optical ) for the sacd play back
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 11:10:38 GMT
You can get the Denon models second-hand for very reasonable prices now, Tim. I had the 2910, and it surprised me how good it was.
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Post by pre65 on Apr 16, 2018 11:27:33 GMT
Sorry I forgot to say that i'm looking for a unit with digital out ( preferably optical ) for the sacd play back
I did hear that there were devices to split out the digital signal from the HDMI lead but not sure if that's true. |
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Post by tim1750 on Apr 16, 2018 11:45:56 GMT
Sorry I forgot to say that i'm looking for a unit with digital out ( preferably optical ) for the sacd play back
I did hear that there were devices to split out the digital signal from the HDMI lead but not sure if that's true.So are you saying that you can only get sacd playback through the audio outputs and not the digital outputs like this unit in this ad from Amazon ?. tinyurl.com/ycdoggoq |
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Post by pre65 on Apr 16, 2018 11:53:56 GMT
This phrase could be read two ways.
"SACD playback and HD Audio format bitstream out"
SACD playback AND HD Audio format bitstream out.
Best check with Yamaha.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 16, 2018 12:04:53 GMT
Pioneer are known to break the SACD rules somewhat. My Pioneer BDP-LX55 Blu-ray player outputs to the S/PDIF output even on SACD playback. You could probably pick up a used one for much less than your budget. Display is a little small, though.
EDIT: meant to say, this is for the SACD layer not the fallback CD layer.
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Post by pre65 on Apr 16, 2018 12:11:12 GMT
Martin, how can you be sure that the digital feed is "pure" SACD and not from the CD layer ?
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Post by MartinT on Apr 16, 2018 13:49:08 GMT
The manual talks about 24/44 and 24/88 PCM downsampling and also 1-bit output. I set it to 1-bit and the Caiman decoded it correctly, much to my surprise.
The answer is I cannot be certain, but a) other players usually output nothing from S/PDIF when the SACD layer is selected and I have 'SACD' showing on the TV info and b) Pioneer are known to break the SACD rules going back many generations of kit. Whether there is some donwsampling going on I cannot be sure, but the last time I tried it it sounded pretty good (but not as good as my Ayre).
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Post by pre65 on Apr 16, 2018 14:11:41 GMT
I spent a while on the Interweb on this subject, but confusion reigns. 
As DSD is native to SACD then your Pioneer might be converting to PCM ?
I take it the SEG can't handle DSD ?
Are there any DACs with an HDMI input ?
How does the Ayre handle SACD ?
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Post by MartinT on Apr 16, 2018 14:36:01 GMT
As DSD is native to SACD then your Pioneer might be converting to PCM ?
I take it the SEG can't handle DSD ?
Are there any DACs with an HDMI input ?
How does the Ayre handle SACD ? 1. I guess it does in the normal output modes but it features '1-bit' as an output option. 2. The SEG plays back the above '1-bit' mode correctly. 3. I use a little Chinese box to extract S/PDIF from HDMI ARC (Audio Return Channel) for the purposes of feeding the Caiman-II in my TV system. 4. Natively, i.e. it plays SACDs via its own internal high quality DAC. There is no S/PDIF output when playing SACDs. |
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Post by tim1750 on Apr 17, 2018 9:05:16 GMT
Thanks for all your help folks.
Martin how to you programme the SEG into 1 bit mode please can you help me with this ?.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 17, 2018 9:31:21 GMT
I don't, Tim. Whatever the Pioneer outputs, the SEG just plays it.
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Post by tim1750 on Apr 17, 2018 9:34:05 GMT
OK Martin, thanks anyway.
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