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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 16:48:31 GMT
What on earth is going on ere then. Ive been away a couple of days, I popped into a certain nationwide Music shop to find Vinyl Re-Issues of The Beatles 'The Beatles' priced at £49.00 'Magical Mysterty Tour' at £35.99 & 'Sgt Pepper' at £35.99..
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Post by julesd68 on Jan 3, 2018 18:02:02 GMT
Presumably crap digital transfers from a digital source?
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Post by DaveC on Jan 3, 2018 18:10:22 GMT
My experience is they are no where near as good as old ones. Used from eBay is cheaper and better, bearing in mind life has noise ? Who said that ?
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Post by Barrington on Jan 3, 2018 19:13:31 GMT
I have a 50th anniversary Sgt Pepper - remixed by Giles Martin it was a present so not sure of price and same goes for SQ as I haven't payed it yet  |
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Post by dsjr on Jan 3, 2018 21:16:39 GMT
Presumably crap digital transfers from a digital source? The sources would be digital, but then these so-carefully remastered digital files may well need compressing and filtering back down to vinyl 'standard.' There are forms specialising in doing this, although EMI's 'crown jewels' would be done at Abbey road I suspect.
Why on earth anyone would even want to buy The Beatles on vinyl is beyond me. A hell of a lot of work was done to master their work carefully, and not just for the current digital age either imo. In a way, I wasn't sure about the work done, but listening again (and again), it's lovingly done imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:38:22 GMT
Do you know it has took me seven copies of the latest Floyd 'Obscured By Clouds' LP before i got a perfect one, even now im questioning the centre of the label & wondering if its actually stuck down properly.. Such hard work.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 4, 2018 5:54:59 GMT
Purchasing digitally remastered material on vinyl is no longer of interest to me. I'd much rather buy the CD of same and enjoy one less transfer loss.
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 4, 2018 6:08:21 GMT
I don't think I have more than about three copies of records that have been made like that. Ridiculous way to behave!
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Post by orbscure on Jan 4, 2018 11:04:05 GMT
How do you guys find out or trust what you may read on other fora/blogs?
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Post by DaveC on Jan 4, 2018 11:10:16 GMT
Purchasing digitally remastered material on vinyl is no longer of interest to me. I'd much rather buy the CD of same and enjoy one less transfer loss. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 12:08:16 GMT
One of the biggest moans I hear when in dealers, the cost of new vinyl is exorbitant you have to have a lot invested in vinyl reply to warranty that outlay on the medium imho
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 12:50:00 GMT
Purchasing digitally remastered material on vinyl is no longer of interest to me. I'd much rather buy the CD of same and enjoy one less transfer loss.T The CD is downsampled to 16/44.1 from 24 bit 96Khz at least while the vinyl if done right will be direct cut from the hi-res source with DA converter. So chances are the analogue LP will sound better if manufactured competently. I have to say my comparisons with analogue pressings suggest the new digital sourced PF and EJ reissues will not disappoint against most used original pressings. Especially noting the originals were hell of a problem to get clean pressings when new. It all has to be judged on a case by case basis. For some odd reason EMI used 24/48 source for Beatles stereo vinyl but the AAA mono versions from 2014 sound superb. The Giles Martin Pepper remix is probably best avoided if you like the original stereo. I would certainly buy anything cut at 45 rpm to vinyl over the CD. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 12:53:42 GMT
What on earth is going on ere then. Ive been away a couple of days, I popped into a certain nationwide Music shop to find Vinyl Re-Issues of The Beatles 'The Beatles' priced at £49.00 'Magical Mysterty Tour' at £35.99 & 'Sgt Pepper' at £35.99.. I take it you are talking about HMV? Even Amazon are cheaper. It appears they recently jacked up prices on a lot of popular titles. A year or two ago they were about average. |
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Post by MartinT on Jan 4, 2018 12:58:41 GMT
The CD is downsampled to 16/44.1 from 24 bit 96Khz at least while the vinyl if done right will be direct cut from the hi-res source with DA converter. So chances are the analogue LP will sound better if manufactured competently. It's a balance of possibly inferior resolution against the lack of noise and pressing inadequacies, isn't it? My CD replay now beats vinyl for quality so, all things considered, I'll go for the cheaper CD. Sometimes the CD mastering is spectacular, like the Jennifer Warnes Famous Blue Raincoat anniversary edition, miles better than the original CD release. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 13:07:20 GMT
The CD is downsampled to 16/44.1 from 24 bit 96Khz at least while the vinyl if done right will be direct cut from the hi-res source with DA converter. So chances are the analogue LP will sound better if manufactured competently. It's a balance of possibly inferior resolution against the lack of noise and pressing inadequacies, isn't it? My CD replay now beats vinyl for quality so, all things considered, I'll go for the cheaper CD. Sometimes the CD mastering is spectacular, like the Jennifer Warnes Famous Blue Raincoat anniversary edition, miles better than the original CD release. I think the problem is that other than specialist labels CD mastering is in general pretty poor with added compression. For that reason only, the vinyl version is probably going to sound better no matter what playback equipment you have. |
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Post by MartinT on Jan 4, 2018 13:18:17 GMT
CD mastering can be disappointing, but it isn't always so. Recent examples like Lorde - Pure Heroin and Yello - Toy are superbly mastered and want for nothing. Classical CDs tend to be better mastered anyway.
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Post by dsjr on Jan 4, 2018 17:25:25 GMT
Purchasing digitally remastered material on vinyl is no longer of interest to me. I'd much rather buy the CD of same and enjoy one less transfer loss.T The CD is downsampled to 16/44.1 from 24 bit 96Khz at least while the vinyl if done right will be direct cut from the hi-res source with DA converter. So chances are the analogue LP will sound better if manufactured competently. I have to say my comparisons with analogue pressings suggest the new digital sourced PF and EJ reissues will not disappoint against most used original pressings. Especially noting the originals were hell of a problem to get clean pressings when new. It all has to be judged on a case by case basis. For some odd reason EMI used 24/48 source for Beatles stereo vinyl but the AAA mono versions from 2014 sound superb. The Giles Martin Pepper remix is probably best avoided if you like the original stereo. I would certainly buy anything cut at 45 rpm to vinyl over the CD. I'm told by an ex mastering engineer that downsampling to Red book makes no difference if done right. Hi-res is only used because of editing and sonic manipulation in the digital domain not affecting the final 16 bits - maybe I'm wrong, but it's been argued that hi res files are actually worse for sonics, but I can't remember where to quote a reference. Vinyl is compressed and filtered as a matter of course when cut so it really doesn't matter which source file or tape it is. 45 always sounds better than 33, but the source material has little to do with the physics of this. As to buying the vinyl over the CD, that's your choice and your money but I'm afraid from experience I cannot agree - the vinyl cut at any speed will always sound different. |
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Post by Barrington on Jan 6, 2018 20:24:41 GMT
What on earth is going on ere then. Ive been away a couple of days, I popped into a certain nationwide Music shop to find Vinyl Re-Issues of The Beatles 'The Beatles' priced at £49.00 'Magical Mysterty Tour' at £35.99 & 'Sgt Pepper' at £35.99.. I take it you are talking about HMV? HMV Chester is closing for relocation , massive sale 50% off stickers everywhere , went in today , hmmm sale , lots of rrp's displayed and discounted down to prices that they usually are. I did buy 5 Blu-Ray films for £30 but again I think this deal is normal . |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 9:00:13 GMT
Get this for idiotic behaviour. The Pink Floyd 'Obscured By Clouds' LP has a re production of the round pink 'Le Valle' sticker on the shrink wrap. i want to preserve this buy putting a fine cut down the wrap where the record exits the sleeve. Why the hell do the shop feel the need to put the price sticker on top of this repro sticker? every single copy in the shop is the same, pulled the pink printing straight off & i was mega careful trying to remove the price sticker..
New Vinyl & everything you have to put up with is just too much trouble. I just started paying a lot now for original Mint Copies, its just the all round best way imho..
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