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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 19:30:18 GMT
I was around at an old mates today, The same mate that buys all my unwanted Hi-fi through the years, I forgot i had all the gear i had  He knew i was getting a cheap but good Turntable together for the limited collection of records i held back [Cos there aint that many truly great records worth keeping anyway] However. £100.00 the 'E3' is sounds far better than what i expected. Love the looks so i ordered one today as soon as i got back in.. No way on earth would you catch me throwing big money at cartridges anyway, my primary concern is music if a cheap cart performs well that is all that matters to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 21:43:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 14:11:42 GMT
I bought this before i got hold of another Mayware which as you know are a Low mass unipivot.. The Goldring is not the highest of Compliance at 20mm/N.. Should work with it, The arm has a sliding Mass ring anyway.. The Goldring does not have a Bright sound, slightly warm.. I have no idea what the new Schiit phono stage sounds like but the AKG headphones are also slightly warm sounding too. I just dont want the overall sound being too warm.
Anyway don't they make good High Compliance Cartridges any more?
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Post by MartinT on Dec 18, 2017 14:21:17 GMT
That looks like a goodly amount of cartridge for the money. I think the fashion for high compliance cartridges went the same way as lightweight arms.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 14:37:14 GMT
DSJR recommended me a Sonus Blue Gold (or was it a Gold Blue?) for use in a Mayware. They are sold by a Scandinavian dealer called Hifi Kit. Their website was a trial to negotiate (Swedish?) but they contacted me by email after purchase to sort out postage. Probably easier to email them in the first place.
I think it was only about £50 which is a lot less than they should have been. I tend to like a bit more impact, but it really did nothing wrong. I'm not usually a fan of MMs,miso the fact I did t keep it isn't altogether surprising. I went back to a DL-103R and AT33. I ran it in my Mayware Formula IV on an Analogue Works turntable 2 and it worked well. You probably know the cart anyway, and so it may not be for you, but I felt it worth a mention because they aren't easy to come by new, especially at that price.
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Post by dsjr on Dec 18, 2017 16:38:13 GMT
The Sonus blue models (there were two and the second is the Gold version) have a massive hf peak at resonance (around 28k) which is a killer for many phono stages especially as all that's up there is noise and random ticks and snaps which can make some phono tages ring when overloaded... I love my vintage Blue which comes out to play from time to time, but they varied.
The E3 should be fine in a Mayware and the solid body should absorb any undue vibration from getting into the arm and the low frequency resonance shouldn't be severe I think. The stock AT95E can sound really good if the deck's up to it (the blandness is deck and arm related I often found) and the E3 has been tweaked quite a bit over this I gather... Got to be better than the dull-as-ditchwater Elektra shit they imported?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 16:46:20 GMT
I just checked Hifi Kit and they don't have the blue any more. They do have the Silver Label E at 695 Sek (about £60). I know nothing about that one although it does look simlar to the blue gold.
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Post by dsjr on Dec 18, 2017 16:47:39 GMT
It wasn't as good..........
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Post by ant on Dec 18, 2017 16:48:06 GMT
Audio technica at 440mlb and at150sa work brilliantly in the mayware, ive used both in it. Their new versions, the vm750s are identical (completely) just more expensive (sic)
I have also used the e3 in the formula 4. Quite frankly, It sounds better in the acos/rega r200 I rewired. Its not the wiring, both arms have the same wiring in them. To me it needs more mass than the f4 provides with the cursor as far forward as possible.
You may want to add mass to the headshell and slide the cursor as far forward as possible with the e3, a bit of lead, or a cartridge shim will add a few grams.
@ dsjr, the body of the e3 is not actually solid, it is hollow below where the cart bolts are. It looks huge, but its all a plastic molding around a generator body that's about the same width as an at95
Cheers ant
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Post by dsjr on Dec 18, 2017 19:33:11 GMT
OOOOh, ok. I'm not likely to see one unless I order it for myself and my current leaning if I have a couple of hundred spare (some chance right now) would be an AT-F7 before it shoots up in price... If the E3 stylus fits purely vertically, then it's AT95E-family related. If it needs to be put at an angle and 'snapped' up into position from the front, then it's AT91 inside. if a new AT120E can be got from somewhere, the compliance is higher, it loves low mass tonearms as do the more expensive 440 models (the bass is far better in a low mass arm) but the high frequencies need clean pressings and it's amazingly clear with older dull vinyl. Worn previously mistracked old vinyl isn't treated kindly though... One other that can sound ok if loaded a bit with capacitance is the eternal Shure 97XE. As with all the later ones I knew well, load it with low capacitance and its beefy toned but reticent up top as the hf falls off in a straight line from 1kHz - 20khz - it sounds restrained rather than dull as such. Load it up and it's flat to 10k, rolling off thereafter. The Jico SAS stylus flattens things I'm told but I haven't heard one  The 97XE should work a doddle in the Mayware and it won't need the damper brush at all as the damping in the arm pivot well will do it instead (don't use too much, you don't need to 'slug' the rocking motion, a single small rebound from rocking one way is fine I remember). Talking of the AT91 and it's posher Rega Carbon sibling, Thakker do a well made elliptical stylus which started life as a Dual DN251E. The complete cartridge is under forty five quid from Wm Thakker in germany, the diamond on mine at least looks well ground and finished and I swear the sound is slightly better than my low-hours AT95E - Great with older worn records and clearer/smoother up top than the Carbon (same body) but may be seen as too dull for some... www.thakker.eu/en/pickup/thakker-epo-e-cartridge/a-5207/ |
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Post by ant on Dec 18, 2017 19:53:46 GMT
Yep the 97 is a good Un for the mayware, i have one of those here too that I keep as a spare if something happens to the at150 or the eroica as they are both in use. I found a slightly higher vtf of 1.3g with the brush up was where I found the sweet spot, and have it very slighly nose down to steepen the vta fractionally.
The e3 generator seems to have more in common with the at120 ect rather than the 95 by the looks of it, and sounds bloody good. Its a bargain for a ton
I have an at440 with a busted canteliever too which I need a stylus for, once I have one the 97 may get retired, i really like the 440.
Both the 440 and the 150 were bought specifically with the f4 in mind
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 20:05:33 GMT
I have a few high Compliant Carts, probs is. One of my all time fav in the Mayware is my Pickering 'XLZ-7500S', the styli is caput & at £250 for a styli is mad.. I like my Goldring 'G900IGC' But no styli are available any more.. I have been tempted with another AKG 'P8ES Super Nova' but again original Styli are unavailable.
Like Martin says High Compliant Carts/Low Mass arms are not fashionable.
Just using a Shure 'M95HE' at the mo, but the styli is getting close to done.
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Post by ant on Dec 18, 2017 21:10:49 GMT
The one cart I keep eyeing up to go in my mayware is a sony xl1 mc.
A moving coil with fairly high compliance at 20x10-6cm/dyne, and bugger all weight at 3 g.
I reckon that it would be a rather good match, its light body would pull the counterweight in close to the pivot and using the cursor to set the tracking would slightly increase the effective mass.
I like Sony carts too
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 21:13:32 GMT
What about the Mayware 'MC-7C' with 'T24' Head Amp? Good combo that
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Post by ant on Dec 18, 2017 21:17:49 GMT
Im more likely to find a feathered frog for sale......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 21:19:19 GMT
Im more likely to find a feathered frog for sale...... I dunno Ant seem the cart twice for sale this year, The 'T24' comes up regular. Two versions tho one with captive Interconnects & the other all RCA's. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 11:01:01 GMT
I had no idea these were made by AT. I read that some other Goldrings are made by Nagaoka. I never saw that one coming. Presumably the other companies either have manufacturing processes/capacity that Goldring don't have or can't do as cheaply.
Goldring's 1000 series and Eroica are a lot more expensive than they used to be, so maybe this is a good way to do it.
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Post by ant on Dec 19, 2017 12:00:05 GMT
I wouldnt be at all surprised if there was a higher spec one released with a microline stylus or something at a higher price point
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Post by dsjr on Dec 19, 2017 12:40:39 GMT
I only cottoned on regarding the E series because I know the donor bodies so well. What used to be good for the K18 once they got the stylus not to collapse must be good for these  I could be wrong, but the 10** series is still UK made I think but I gather the 2000 models are Nagaokas in drag. Prices on cartridges have gone up so haphazardly in the last ten years I'm confused. I mean, the Dynavector 10X IV used to be £60, the same as the DL110, by the late 90's the DL110 was around £79 and the 10X IV finished off at £225 and the 10X V (reshaped mounting plate the only difference I gather) was £255. ten years ago the DL110 could still be had for £80 if you shopped around (the DL103C was just over a ton still I remember) yet currency changes, plus distributor/manufacturer inflation today, makes the DL110 now just under £200, the 10X V is now a (for me) disastrous £499, popular low range Nagaoka cartridges, which used to be beer budget, now all but start at £100 yet the then equivalent AT95E is still under £30 if you shop around... Total madness, but I hope the posher looks and hand-set styli bode well for the E3 - the other two are conical so that's proper inner groove tracing out the window for a start, even if they don't 'mistrack' as such... |
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He knew i was getting a cheap but good Turntable together for the limited collection of records i held back [Cos there aint that many truly great records worth keeping anyway]
The 97XE should work a doddle in the Mayware and it won't need the damper brush at all as the damping in the arm pivot well will do it instead (don't use too much, you don't need to 'slug' the rocking motion, a single small rebound from rocking one way is fine I remember).