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Post by drrockwell on Aug 24, 2017 13:01:58 GMT
Hi all. First question to the forum. Although been into hifi for years Turntables have mostly escaped me. All have been easy set up job. I have just aquired a Pioneer PL-516x fitted with a Shure M95ed Cartridge. Ive fitted a new belt and stylus. Ive set the counter balance to 1.5g. Does the Anti-Skate setting match this? Anti skate reads 1-4. Thanks
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Post by MartinT on Aug 24, 2017 13:14:57 GMT
Yes, although anti-skate is a misnomer - if your arm really did skate there'd be something very wrong! It should be called bias. Just set it the same as tracking weight if there is a single scale, or use the elliptical stylus scale if there is a choice.
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 24, 2017 13:24:26 GMT
At the very least, it's a good place to start. You may find that slight variations on this setting sound preferable to you. I once heard two independant hifi dealers discussing bias settings and they both agreed that it was a waste of time. I decided that perhaps I had best avoid buying anything in either of their shops!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 11:51:51 GMT
Never ever set the AS of my old M95ED to same as the required tracking force.
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Post by pinkie on Aug 25, 2017 13:01:59 GMT
"Anti-skate" (bias) settings on arms are rarely accurate. Spring mechanisms are particularly approximate and vary with arm position. Thread and weight is more consistent
Incorrect bias settings will accelerate record and stylus wear.
Whilst the world is full of "golden ears", the best way to set bias is with a test record (and an oscilloscope). A test record by ear is next best. You are not listening to get no distortion. You are listening for the distortion to be the same in both channels - which is why its more objective and consistent with a scope.
It depends a bit on the arm and cartridge, but a decent estimate is to use a blank record - £1 on ebay old style video discs are perfect. No bias will have the cartridge "skate" towards the centre of the record. My "wet finger in the air" bias is for the cartridge to take between 1 and 2 seconds to skate from the middle to the edge of the record. By middle, I mean half way between the label and the record edge. Even staying put (no drift) is probably better than most peoples guesses, and better than no bias.
The bias force is a result of the arm/cartridge offset and overhang. The bias force increases with tracking weight, but not linearly. It increases more for eliptical sylii than spherical ones, and it varies with groove radius and record material. Obviously the overhang also affects bias force, and so it is important the cartridge is correctly aligned.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 25, 2017 13:10:00 GMT
Using a blank disc is not the best way to set correct bias. The tip of the stylus is not used when tracking, it's the side walls. They exert a different level of friction and pull.
A test record with fairly heavy modulation is the best way, with as you say equal tendency to distort either side of the 'sweet spot' in adjustment.
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Post by pinkie on Aug 25, 2017 14:51:11 GMT
Using a blank disc is not the best way to set correct bias. The tip of the stylus is not used when tracking, it's the side walls. They exert a different level of friction and pull. A test record with fairly heavy modulation is the best way, with as you say equal tendency to distort either side of the 'sweet spot' in adjustment. Yes - that is an opinion I have seen before. I know a turntable manufacturer..., and like a stuck record, he gets good results at shows Kogen carried out the main research paper I am aware of back in the 60's. 2 things are worthy of note. First, is that skating force varies relative to tracking force between a heavily modulated groove and a blank groove (not disimilar to a blank record) and with an elliptical tip the graph plots for blank groove and 27.1cm/sec cuts were pretty much touching up to 2 gram tracking force - so less different than you might think Also - if you set your bias force for a 27.1cm peak cut, and most of your listening is at substantially lower velocity, you have overset your bias for average playback conditions Not by enough to notice. Given vinyl material, temperature, moisture and a host of other factors affect this, you can get too pretty If you have a test record, and know how to use it, brilliant. If you don't, a blank disc can get you surprisingly close.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 14:35:19 GMT
Used to do three drops of the record to decide on AS setting. Start, middle & end
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