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Post by Guest on Sept 25, 2016 13:14:29 GMT
I am finding the Ortofon 2m Blue a bit lean and sharp for my taste and was thinking of swapping it for a Goldring 2100. In a RP6 would it change the sound in the way I wish it to, namely a punchier bass and smoother mid? Thanks for any advice.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 25, 2016 13:26:39 GMT
You could also look at loading. I would say in general that Ortofons don't have a sharp balance but they do feature a lot of detail. Perhaps the Goldring would mask the effect by being more mellow but it's not getting to the root cause of the problem.
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Post by pinkie on Sept 25, 2016 13:46:59 GMT
I don't know the Ortofon, but their moving magnets of old liked 200pf to 400pf added The Goldring is a nice balanced cartridge
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Post by Guest on Sept 25, 2016 14:06:42 GMT
I have no idea what this means? Just looked up pf on google and it seems to be something to do with basketball?!
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Post by pinkie on Sept 25, 2016 14:22:37 GMT
200 to 400 pico-farads of capacitance. It is fairly easy to add regular capacitors to the input header on my Pip amplifier
It used to be possible to buy little "slice" capacitors which sat behind the cartridge pins and were held on with the cartridge tags
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Post by Guest on Sept 25, 2016 14:25:43 GMT
200 to 400 pico-farads of capacitance. It is fairly easy to add regular capacitors to the input header on my Pip amplifier It used to be possible to buy little "slice" capacitors which sat behind the cartridge pins and were held on with the cartridge tags I do not feel confident faffing about, would the simple cartridge change help in your opinion?
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Post by pinkie on Sept 25, 2016 14:31:35 GMT
I know this is my regular siren song, but do you not have a dealer locally where you could go and listen?
I don't know the blue. The 2100 is nicely balanced in my view. Or the 1042 is a great cartridge too. A bit of a Ford Focus - not the best at anything, but doesn't put a foot wrong and delivers in all departments
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 25, 2016 14:33:07 GMT
If you wanted a guaranteed smoother and more lush midband you would definitely get that from buying the best Nagaoka cart your budget can allow.
Not guaranteed to give your a more punchy bass though - I thought that was one of the strengths of an RP6, so the issue may possibly be amp or speaker related.
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Post by Guest on Sept 25, 2016 14:53:42 GMT
If you wanted a guaranteed smoother and more lush midband you would definitely get that from buying the best Nagaoka cart your budget can allow. Not guaranteed to give your a more punchy bass though - I thought that was one of the strengths of an RP6, so the issue may possibly be amp or speaker related. Amplifier YAQIN MC-84L EL84 Speakers Monitor Audio RS8 I thought Nagaoka were brighter than Goldring?
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Post by Guest on Sept 25, 2016 14:54:52 GMT
I know this is my regular siren song, but do you not have a dealer locally where you could go and listen? I don't know the blue. The 2100 is nicely balanced in my view. Or the 1042 is a great cartridge too. A bit of a Ford Focus - not the best at anything, but doesn't put a foot wrong and delivers in all departments Dealers in South Yorkshire are like Albatross.
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 25, 2016 15:14:43 GMT
If you wanted a guaranteed smoother and more lush midband you would definitely get that from buying the best Nagaoka cart your budget can allow. Not guaranteed to give your a more punchy bass though - I thought that was one of the strengths of an RP6, so the issue may possibly be amp or speaker related. Amplifier YAQIN MC-84L EL84 Speakers Monitor Audio RS8 I thought Nagaoka were brighter than Goldring? I've had budget and top of the range Nagaokas - they're not bright in the least. In fact if anything they have a slightly rolled off-treble, with a superb midband. If I was a betting man I suspect the EL84 is the root of your bass issues. If you want to stick with tubes, to get more bass grip and punch I would try either a meatier tube-amp or try a hybrid. This is why I use a hybrid myself, I like the tube characteristics but need solid state power amp to get better bass grip with my speakers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 15:22:07 GMT
I'd suggest adding a little more tracking force and see if that changes the tonal balance. Don't be afraid to deviate slightly from manufacturer recommendations because that's all they are. You can also play with VTA (which can affect tonal balance) by using a thicker mat. Both of these will potentially reduce the qualities you desctibe.
Just to clarify in case you aren't familiar with VTA it's the angle at which the stylus meets the groove. I don't think your tonearm height can be adjusted downwards. The only things you can get for Rega arms are spacers which raise the arm at the rear. This may sharpen and brighten the sound more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 18:47:36 GMT
Always puzzles me why people always need to buy present production Cartridges!
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 25, 2016 19:18:51 GMT
Maybe 'cos no-one has told them which older models might suit them! Why not spill the beans Andre?
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 26, 2016 6:02:01 GMT
Ortofons are usually a bit clean, sharp and incisive. A Goldring would be a better bet for you in that regard. But I doubt would result in a punchier bass, if that is what you want. Bass would seem more prominent though due to the reduction in treble.
Alternatively, an easy adjustment to try with the Ortofon is to use a thicker LP mat, or use two mats. This changes the angle at which the stylus meets the LP and should result in a less bright sound.
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Post by Guest on Sept 26, 2016 7:30:43 GMT
Amplifier YAQIN MC-84L EL84 Speakers Monitor Audio RS8 I thought Nagaoka were brighter than Goldring? I've had budget and top of the range Nagaokas - they're not bright in the least. In fact if anything they have a slightly rolled off-treble, with a superb midband. If I was a betting man I suspect the EL84 is the root of your bass issues. If you want to stick with tubes, to get more bass grip and punch I would try either a meatier tube-amp or try a hybrid. This is why I use a hybrid myself, I like the tube characteristics but need solid state power amp to get better bass grip with my speakers. So would you recommend Nagaoka over Goldring?
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Post by Guest on Sept 26, 2016 7:31:56 GMT
Ortofons are usually a bit clean, sharp and incisive. A Goldring would be a better bet for you in that regard. But I doubt would result in a punchier bass, if that is what you want. Bass would seem more prominent though due to the reduction in treble. Alternatively, an easy adjustment to try with the Ortofon is to use a thicker LP mat, or use two mats. This changes the angle at which the stylus meets the LP and should result in a less bright sound. Yes; the Ortofon is a tad sharp. I've changed the mat, but any deeper and the Ortofon will bottom.
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Post by Guest on Sept 26, 2016 7:33:06 GMT
I was also considering changing my speaker cable from blue Van Damme to Talk 3.1
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 26, 2016 7:39:19 GMT
One change at a time would be my advice.
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 26, 2016 7:44:06 GMT
Given that your main requirement for items seems to be that they are blue, I'm surprised you are even considering a Goldring! There are some models in the Sumiko range that might suit.
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