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Post by julesd68 on Sept 24, 2016 17:15:00 GMT
Guys, when you buy a brand new lp, what are your expectations about the pressing quality?
Do you expect it not to have any marks, pressing flaws, no clicks etc - what is your level of tolerance about this?
At what point do you decide to send it back for a replacement?
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Post by Stratmangler on Sept 24, 2016 18:47:27 GMT
No clicks, pops, jumps, Rice Crispies, and flat. Allowances made depending on what the inner sleeves are made of - if they're cardboard light abrasion marks are expected  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 7:30:25 GMT
I bought a new copy of 'Japan, Tim Drum' a couple of years ago and one side (one track in particular) was duff. The whole side was unusually quite and one track was ruined with odd noises (I know it was Japan - but this wasn't part of the composition!). Unfortunately I had played it a few times and then cleaned it so couldn't take it back to the shop, but it came with a digital download so wasn't a complete loss. Must have been a Friday afternoon pressing that slipped past quality control. On the whole I just expect a clean, click and pop free record and then I'm happy. I also hate cardboard inner sleeves. Lawrence  Japan_Tin_Drum by losenotaminute, on Flickr |
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Post by MartinT on Sept 25, 2016 10:44:36 GMT
No clicks, pops, jumps, Rice Crispies, and flat. Allowances made depending on what the inner sleeves are made of - if they're cardboard light abrasion marks are expected Exactly the same for me. Then it goes into a Nagaoka inner sleeve right away. |
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Post by speedysteve on Sept 26, 2016 22:20:40 GMT
All go on the RCM them are Zerostat'd and poly lined re-sleeved. After that I Zerostat then each play and find I hardly ever need to re-clean.
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 26, 2016 22:25:38 GMT
I very rarely buy new vinyl these days because of the crappy quality control I've had the misfortune of suffering in the past. The justification of the high prices for new records is that they are a premium product. Well, I expect a premium product to be fit for purpose first time, every time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 0:20:35 GMT
Dont see the point anyway, i just bought the CD's. sold all my re-issues earlier in the year.Never again.
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Post by orbscure on Sept 27, 2016 20:51:32 GMT
I've been buying plenty of heavy weight repressed vinyl recently and touch wood, I've only had issues with one and the eBay seller I used was more than happy to exchange it. Perhaps the fact that he was a dealer and the 2 LP set was supplied sealed made him more approachable and cooperative. Like many here, all my new LP's are cleaned with a RCM and inserted in anti-static record sleeves before I consider spinning them...
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Post by Barrington on Sept 30, 2016 13:12:52 GMT
Stopped buying new vinyl I get the original in the best condition I can or if a new release then I get the CD.
The last new vinyl I got was the Queen of Denmark by John Grant and it was very crackly so I returned it , they didn't have another copy.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 2, 2016 6:36:17 GMT
The last new vinyl I got was the Queen of Denmark by John Grant and it was very crackly so I returned it , they didn't have another copy. I bought that one too, my copy is ok. However, like you, I've stopped buying new vinyl although I'm always happy to scour charity and used shops. CD is just so close in quality for me that I'm pretty format agnostic unless it's something very special when I'll try to find it on SACD. |
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Post by AlanS on Oct 2, 2016 8:06:06 GMT
I gave up bothering with vinyl last year. New was an insult to ones ears and S/H just wasn't worth the effort of trying to clean and get the best out of.
Having spend time and cash buying an improved PSU for the turntable, a lovely new Shibata stylus and having my LP12 serviced. In comparison to HiRes from various sources and pleased with ripping CDs to FLAC.
I'll keep the LPs for nostalgic reasons, you ever know.
Best of luck to those of you who still believe in vinyl.
Now I enjoy music from streamed FACS, radio, Spotify care of Moode player on the RPi. More music is far more to hand
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 9:18:52 GMT
Yesterday as per normal Saturday it was shopping this time to Tesco, my first job is to hop up stair to the Video and Music and gizmo's section, I was disappointed to see that the vinyl section was depleted down to a half a dozen records. It seem Tesco's rush to get on the vinyl surge has been ignored by none music enthusiasts and salad buying public.
Well if they sold good audio equipment not the shite they have now, and a team of well informed music loving quality staff maybe it would have worked. A quick buck never lasts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 9:55:41 GMT
I suspect some of the Tesco purchases are used as wall art and never played.
The problem with buying vinyl from a supermarket is that it's difficult to know how carefully the vinyl has been shipped / handled. If it's treated like the rest of the groceries then it's pot luck whether it is playable.
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 2, 2016 10:19:19 GMT
So true
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 2, 2016 13:21:37 GMT
I think Amazon have some kind of an issue with how they store their vinyl with the warped copies I've had from them ...
Fortunately their returns policy means getting replacement or refund is easy.
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Post by mikeyb on Oct 2, 2016 16:07:02 GMT
I think Amazon have some kind of an issue with how they store their vinyl with the warped copies I've had from them ... Fortunately their returns policy means getting replacement or refund is easy. I agree, it's more than likely due to storing in large warehouses made with sandwich panels, freezing in winter and boiling in summer. The one near us is a prime example, massive metal walls and corrugated roof. I've had to return loads to Amazon but anything from anyone else is flat. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 19:40:05 GMT
The thing about new vinyl is to be selective. Consulting the Steve Hoffman forum is invaluable because some vinyl compulsives there order every new reissue even if they have good originals. It's there you discover that due to variable mastering only about 3 of the recent Bowie releases are good or that the new PF titles actually rival originals in spite of digital transfers being used. Currently dipping my toe into these as 70s PF vinyl was rarely free of surface noise. New releases from Amazon that have been in and out of the warehouse in days should be flat and often are prepacked by the labels/distributors in individual cardboard packets.
Used vinyl which once made up most of my purchases has become both expensive and mostly over graded low quality. Collectors snapped up the best collections when relatively cheap and many sellers are clueless about grading (experienced dealers have become plain dishonest because many buyers accept crackle and pop as the norm).
There are more good reissues than ever but you need to know what you are buying plus the better pressings (especially from USA) are becoming prohibitively pricey. MFSL 45 rpm approaching £70 and the new Abraxas (one-step) retailing at £125!!!
Releases such as the mono Beatles have been superb and almost impossible to beat with original vinyl due to price and condition.
Stick to all analogue reissues if at all possible. I do miss 'Classic Records' as in spite of the reported QC problems I don't think their overall standards have been surpassed. Bernie Grundman and Chris Bellman who cut them are still doing some fine reissues along with Kevin Gray at Cohearant and Ryan Smith at Sterling. Also Abbey Road are producing some nice mastering both AAA and digital sourced. (Miles Showell and Sean Magee).
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