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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 26, 2016 8:53:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 10:20:14 GMT
I am a believer in using things for what they are intended for, so yes I would.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 26, 2016 12:10:14 GMT
They should be played at least to get a good transcription onto other media, otherwise what's the point?
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 26, 2016 13:06:57 GMT
I can see a collector or speculator filing it for a long off rainy day
I'd play it once oh so carefully to copy it
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 26, 2016 13:30:45 GMT
I would play it, but I would probably drop it too!
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 26, 2016 14:10:14 GMT
I dropped and broke our very old 78 of The Laughing Policeman when I was a kid. I was horrified
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Post by Slinger on Feb 26, 2016 15:46:55 GMT
To me this is a historical document and I'd no more play it than I'd take an original copy of the Magna Carta or the United States Declaration of Independence to bed for a bit of a read. There are perfectly acceptable (and in fact more readable or, in the case of the acetate I'd guess, more listenable) copies of all of them if I feel the need to get up close and personal with a bit of history. Don't forget, also, that this is an acetate and so will degrade much more than a typical vinyl release from playing it. Finally depending on your stylus tip profile/tracking weight combination it's possible that you could damage the actual layer of acetate irreparably.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 26, 2016 15:52:02 GMT
Is that exact version available generally ?
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Post by Slinger on Feb 26, 2016 16:08:44 GMT
Is that exact version available generally ? I can't give a definitive answer on that one, but I'd bet it was. I'm pretty sure they never recorded so much as a sneeze without it having found its way on to a release of some kind, somewhere, by now.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Feb 26, 2016 16:23:04 GMT
I'd play it once to record to my reel to reel. Did the same for the laquers I have of the Analogue Productions issue of Sarah MacLachlan's Mirrorball. Didn't quite cost that much, but they are one-off items nontheless!
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 26, 2016 17:31:12 GMT
Is that exact version available generally ? I can't give a definitive answer on that one, but I'd bet it was. I'm pretty sure they never recorded so much as a sneeze without it having found its way on to a release of some kind, somewhere, by now. So really a collector's item only if not unique
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Post by Slinger on Feb 26, 2016 21:07:09 GMT
The item itself is, if not unique, then very rare while the content may not be so rare. It's going back to my Magna Carta parallel. There's only one Magna Carta and it's priceless but if you want to read it the words have been copied elsewhere multiple times.
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Post by Barry on Feb 27, 2016 2:18:18 GMT
Since it was sent to George Martin as a promotional disc, it has already been played so is no longer mint or unplayed. Despite the fact it is a 78 acetate and therefore fragile, it can still be copied virtually without damage if the necessary care is taken. Record libraries do this all the time.
The comparison with written documents such as the Magna Carta is spurious - they can be read by the human eye and reading them does no damage (provided the ambient light levels are not excessive), so provided no errors are made in the actual transcription, the copy is as good as the original. A record on the other hand can only be read by physical contact with it, and therefore in doing so can wear.
But since these acetates are going to be bought by someone as a speculative investment, they will languish in a bank vault just as they did in the loft. Perhaps of some interest to historians of mid-twentieth century pop music, I can't imagine they would be of much interest to the majority of music lovers. Now if it had been a recording of Robert Johnson's mythical 40th song ....?
As an aside, the longevity and usefulness to archiving of recording tape (and of optical storage) has been called into question. It's quite possible that in 100 years time, all tape will have degraded as well as optical storage, so the only hard copies will be the vinyl in record collectors libraries! Makes you think.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 9:23:41 GMT
I can guarantee I wouldn't be playing it, but you probably guessed that already
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Post by pre65 on Feb 27, 2016 10:56:39 GMT
What became of the uber expensive laser vinyl replay device that was created to archive rare material ?
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This is what I meant.
elpj.com/ltfeaturesandspecs/
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 27, 2016 12:15:58 GMT
Anyone ever heard one playing ?
I'd like to know how the laser compares to a needle
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Post by Barry on Feb 27, 2016 13:04:17 GMT
The last I heard was the laser was so sensitive the records had to be scrupulously clean, otherwise the laser would read the 'dirt and dust'. I think there were also problems with keeping the laser focused whilst tracking warps.
Whatever, the Finial record player died a death; possibly because it was introduced at the same time as people were ditching their vinyl in favour of CDs.
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Post by Slinger on Feb 27, 2016 14:21:26 GMT
Barry, if you read my previous posts you'll see I'm not comparing the acetate directly to the Magna Carta but using it first as an example of something else I wouldn't mistreat... Yes you can read the Magna Carta itself but not without the proper equipment and in the proper environment. Interestingly, the efficacy of those white cotton gloves we all know from countless films is in dispute at the moment. Some sources suggest that they are not only unnecessary but actually harmful to the documents, and that clean washed hands are preferable. But I ramble... And secondly I used the Magna Carta to parallel that the actual information contained in both items is not in and of itself unique. Sorry if I didn't explain myself as well as I might have done. You can still buy laser turntables by the way.... elpj.com/ Those would be no good for my odd collection though as they only play black vinyl.
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Post by Barry on Feb 27, 2016 20:47:28 GMT
I agree about not wanting to mistreat either. The question is is the replay of the 78 acetate by careful means in order to copy it actually mistreating it? Is it better not to know what's on it and await for such a time when a contactless means of playing it is developed, or to play/copy it now and risk the, albeit slight, wear of the sick that would entail?
Also agree with your comments about the re-think on the use of 'white cotton gloves'. The argument is that without gloves there is better bio-feedback when turning a page - the page is turned more gently and less stress is put on it. First time I saw this on TV I was taken aback, but discussing this with someone who works at the National Library of Wales, I was told of the new thinking on handling old and valuable archived documents.
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Post by Slinger on Feb 27, 2016 21:15:51 GMT
The O.P.s question was "would YOU risk it?" So no, I wouldn't, for the reasons I put forward. I'm not saying don't play it full-stop, just answering the question as asked.
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