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Post by ChrisB on Mar 31, 2016 8:54:14 GMT
I just can't click with ATD either. I think it's because Waters' non-singing vocal style finally reached the pinnacle of accomplishment on this album(!)
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Post by MartinT on Mar 31, 2016 10:07:03 GMT
Whereas KAOS shows off his bass player origins with superb driving rhythms.
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Post by Barrington on Apr 4, 2016 17:33:15 GMT
I just can't click with ATD either. I think it's because Waters' non-singing vocal style finally reached the pinnacle of accomplishment on this album(!) Now you mention it he doesn't sing , Amused is my all time favourite album , KAOS , Pros & Cons , The Final Cut are all in my top 20 , the single Lost Boys Calling another of my favourites. I just like him , his voice , his lyrics , probably my all time favourite artist.
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 4, 2016 17:38:26 GMT
I love Pros and Cons, KAOS proved to be slightly interesting to me, but not very! I just find Amused to Death rather boring but I think it's almost entirely because of that non-singing style.
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Post by Barrington on Apr 4, 2016 17:43:01 GMT
I've got Amused to Death on CD , VINYL , SACD and Blu-ray , never get fed up listening to it
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Post by davidf on Apr 12, 2016 21:41:21 GMT
Whereas KAOS shows off his bass player origins with superb driving rhythms. Do you feel his earlier albums have dated a little though? I know ATD is a later album, but it doesn't feel as though it has aged a day since it was released. And the subject matter is still extremely relevant (if anything, ahead of its time a little). And it's even better in 5.1 Don't get me wrong, I like his stuff, and I'd rather listen to his Floyd music than Gilmour's (on the whole). Except for Music From The Body. I bought that because it had Waters' name on it. I'm sitting there thinking, WTF is this?! If I can find it, someone can have it.
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 12, 2016 21:49:32 GMT
That's an album I've never heard. If you're serious about the offer, I'll take it and thanks very much. If I don't like it either, I'll pass it on to someone else. If you can't find it, then that's fine too!
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Post by davidf on Apr 12, 2016 22:46:50 GMT
It's up in the loft somewhere with all my other CDs - I've got to go through it all again next month when I replace my NAS drive - might find it then!
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 12, 2016 22:52:08 GMT
Great. No pressure (of course). If you find it, you find it. If not, then that's OK. Cheers
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Post by MartinT on Apr 13, 2016 7:37:49 GMT
Do you feel his earlier albums have dated a little though? I know ATD is a later album, but it doesn't feel as though it has aged a day since it was released. And the subject matter is still extremely relevant (if anything, ahead of its time a little). And it's even better in 5.1 Don't get me wrong, I like his stuff, and I'd rather listen to his Floyd music than Gilmour's (on the whole). Except for Music From The Body. I bought that because it had Waters' name on it. I'm sitting there thinking, WTF is this?! If I can find it, someone can have it. No, I don't think any of his solo albums have aged since TPACOH. KAOS is still my favourite but I wish it hadn't been recorded/engineered quite so 'hot'. I've never heard Music from the Body.
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Post by barnboy on Apr 16, 2016 0:28:03 GMT
I've not long been the happy owner of an Oppo 105 which has replaced both a CD/Dac and a Denon 2910 to play SACD and DVDAs on. It always bugged me that you couldn't use the digital out into the DAC for SACDs. Brought a few and then gave up with the formats as it really sounded worse than the CD system (which admittedly was about 3 times the price) With the Oppo I can see what all the fuss was about and am now scrapping around trying to find SACD discs. I have to say that SACDs seem to be more musical than the DVDAs that I have. No idea why, Its the same with 96/24 and 192/24 Hi res files No huge improvement using 192s over the 96s. Maybes its my system! Anywho I have 5 jazz SACDs coming soon which I will happily report on
Still think Vinyl sounds the best even if you do have to perform rituals for each disc!
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Post by MartinT on Apr 16, 2016 7:37:44 GMT
Digital out for SACDs is problematic. Firstly, the rules around the output being encrypted mean that only a few like dCS bother. Secondly, the native format is 1-bit and few DACs cope with that. You might end up with transcoded 24/96 and then you have not-DSD any more.
Luckily, my Pioneer Blu-ray player can be set to native output and my Caiman-II DAC can decode 1-bit. It sounds superb.
However, my Ayre plays SACD natively so I don't often do that.
I agree that SACDs often sound musical but the odd DVD-A (e.g. Yes - Fragile) can be awesome.
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Post by Barrington on Apr 22, 2016 18:20:01 GMT
Luckily, my Pioneer Blu-ray player can be set to native output and my Caiman-II DAC can decode 1-bit. It sounds superb. The Pioneer outputs DSD through its SPDIF ?
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Post by MartinT on Apr 22, 2016 18:28:18 GMT
It has a 1-bit setting and it goes out on S/PDIF (Pioneer were always the ones to bypass the rules, I had their first DVD player which had a simple mod to make it multi-region). I tried it just out of interest with an SACD and was amazed that the Caiman-II could decode it. Sounds good, too.
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Post by Barrington on Apr 22, 2016 19:15:13 GMT
What model is it Martin ?
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Post by MartinT on Apr 23, 2016 8:43:06 GMT
From memory, a BDP LX-55.
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Post by Barrington on Apr 30, 2016 17:43:17 GMT
I read somewhere the other day that SACD's sound better with more plays . Anybody know anything about this ?
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Post by MartinT on Apr 30, 2016 19:32:59 GMT
Not that I've noticed and I can't see any mechanism for it.
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Post by barnboy on May 5, 2016 18:08:20 GMT
Digital out for SACDs is problematic. Firstly, the rules around the output being encrypted mean that only a few like dCS bother. Secondly, the native format is 1-bit and few DACs cope with that. You might end up with transcoded 24/96 and then you have not-DSD any more. Luckily, my Pioneer Blu-ray player can be set to native output and my Caiman-II DAC can decode 1-bit. It sounds superb. However, my Ayre plays SACD natively so I don't often do that. I agree that SACDs often sound musical but the odd DVD-A (e.g. Yes - Fragile) can be awesome. Sorry I missed this interesting snippit. With the Oppo all the digital wizardry takes place inside the box so I assumed that it is playing the disc in its native format (You bring up SACD when it reads the ToC) and not down sampling it before outputting to analogue. Can I test this in some way?
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Post by MartinT on May 5, 2016 21:12:39 GMT
Not that I'm aware of. Better would be to find the circuit topology: does it have a 1-bit DAC or Sony chipset, for instance? That would be like my Ayre, playing DSD natively. Otherwise, it'll be doing a partial transcode to, say, 4-bit and then going through a PCM decoder.
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