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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 10:01:32 GMT
I can't argue with IKEA Lack. They are very good and cheap as chips. For an LP12 they are particularly good IMO. The deck I tried the Alto Extremos on was the Analogie Works turntable, which is based on Tom Fletcher decks. My Altos weren't magnetic floats though, as some of them are now. They were a big part of the great sound and really lifted the deck's performance, even on a Lack. They made such a difference, it was a no brainer, but obviously other decks may respond differently. As ever, I'd say buy used or request a loan to see what they do.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 13, 2016 12:03:24 GMT
14kg is hardly lightweight. I've tried all manner of footers with the Technics, finding a solution that sounds good and doesn't give feedback has proven harder that I had first realised. It's a tough nut to crack. So far only two solutions have worked: my Chinese sprung feet and Mike's squidgy sorbothane feet.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 13, 2016 15:02:52 GMT
The prices for IKEA Lack when new look less than they would be 2nd hand !
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Post by dsjr on Feb 13, 2016 23:00:20 GMT
My Mentor platter was around 70 odd lb's I remember. Amazing how low-wear the main bearing was, spinning that weight for hours a day. Some decks just seem to be largely immune to what they're put on and the NAS range is one of the best for this ime. Just plonk and play Please chaps, don't go overboard on minutiae and convince yourselves you're hearing a difference that just might not be there When pro's set up for a recording session, I assure you they don't place the recording system on oak feet, place the Shakti stones carefully around the piano and use twenty layers of Mana under the mixing desk, let alone check the direction of the interconnect cables in the patch bay - you know what I mean. Just get your room nicely laid out so you can relax easily into it and almost all your setup problems will go away I promise you. I really do feel that 99% of all this is psychological and audiophiles do seem to be a neurotic lot - and that includes me on occasion - takes one to know one... A nice tipple of your favourite naughty alcoholic beverage often helps too
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Post by Mr Whippy on Feb 13, 2016 23:57:21 GMT
…The best answers are always the easiest and often cheapest I'm finding. Yeah… Too true…I'm using Maltesers with the chocolate sucked off. Did try Gobstoppers - but there was just too much top-end emphasis and mid-range hardness, for my liking. Haven't tried the Shakey stones. Supposed to be most effective when used behind a green door, or so I've read. I have tried marshmallows strategically-placed. Couldn't come to any real definitive conclusion as to their efficacy, however, as as the evening wore-on I did become rather hungry - and ended-up eating them. Might try that box of Liquorice Allsorts leftover from Christmas. See what they can do. If I don't eat them, beforehand.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 14, 2016 8:00:32 GMT
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Post by dsjr on Feb 14, 2016 10:05:44 GMT
…The best answers are always the easiest and often cheapest I'm finding. Yeah… Too true…I'm using Maltesers with the chocolate sucked off. Did try Gobstoppers - but there was just too much top-end emphasis and mid-range hardness, for my liking. Haven't tried the Shakey stones. Supposed to be most effective when used behind a green door, or so I've read. I have tried marshmallows strategically-placed. Couldn't come to any real definitive conclusion as to their efficacy, however, as as the evening wore-on I did become rather hungry - and ended-up eating them. Might try that box of Liquorice Allsorts leftover from Christmas. See what they can do. If I don't eat them, beforehand. You could always shrink-wrap seal some marshmallows and call them 'Pink Ravioli' I suppose
Just bear in mind that these things don't 'just' exist to improve the sound of your stereo (RA's issues in the courts should put some caution in), but to make loads of money in a declining market.
As Andrew suggests, loan items or a solid sale-or-return scheme is essential in my opinion to save people wasting money.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 11:04:13 GMT
Incidentally, even Ikea's packaging has "audiophile" cred. I recently bought and installed an IKEA kitchen. Most of the lacking is now cardboard honeycomb, which is the same as inside IKEA lack but with a smaller structure. I swear it's the same stuff inside Torlyte platforms. I've kept some to veneer and edge with balsa. I'm sure it will do the same job. Incidentally I really like Torlyte. I just don't like being ripped off when I can make something similar myself.
I did a bit of reading a while back and found there was only one UK manufacturer of tnis honeycomb stuff. I reckon there's a sweet business opp for anyone making their own honeycomb platforms. Can't be bothered myself but I do know such things work well with a lot of kit.
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Post by shuggie on Feb 14, 2016 18:44:24 GMT
Incidentally, even Ikea's packaging has "audiophile" cred. I recently bought and installed an IKEA kitchen. Most of the lacking is now cardboard honeycomb, which is the same as inside IKEA lack but with a smaller structure. I swear it's the same stuff inside Torlyte platforms. I've kept some to veneer and edge with balsa. I'm sure it will do the same job. Incidentally I really like Torlyte. I just don't like being ripped off when I can make something similar myself. I did a bit of reading a while back and found there was only one UK manufacturer of tnis honeycomb stuff. I reckon there's a sweet business opp for anyone making their own honeycomb platforms. Can't be bothered myself but I do know such things work well with a lot of kit. I have seen inside a Torlyte platform, although one of the original types, and its core was very much wooden, and clearly intricately hand made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 19:29:15 GMT
I never dared cut into the ones I had. They are so light, the wood must either be Balsa, wafer thin or both. I'd love to have seen that myself.
edit: just googled it and I se RA now shows a pic of the internals on his website.
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Post by shuggie on Feb 14, 2016 19:32:14 GMT
I think that the design has now changed, but the internal matrix was constructed from a light coloured hardwood, perhaps ramin or box. So, stiff and light, but definitely not balsa.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 19:34:45 GMT
Interesting and thanks for the info. I've always been curious about Torlyte givenntahtnit weighs so little. I edited my post above to say RA now shows a pic of the internals on his website.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Feb 14, 2016 20:33:23 GMT
Yeah… Too true…I'm using Maltesers with the chocolate sucked off. Did try Gobstoppers - but there was just too much top-end emphasis and mid-range hardness, for my liking. Haven't tried the Shakey stones. Supposed to be most effective when used behind a green door, or so I've read. I have tried marshmallows strategically-placed. Couldn't come to any real definitive conclusion as to their efficacy, however, as as the evening wore-on I did become rather hungry - and ended-up eating them. Might try that box of Liquorice Allsorts leftover from Christmas. See what they can do. If I don't eat them, beforehand. You could always shrink-wrap seal some marshmallows and call them 'Pink Ravioli' I suppose
Just bear in mind that these things don't 'just' exist to improve the sound of your stereo (RA's issues in the courts should put some caution in), but to make loads of money in a declining market.
As Andrew suggests, loan items or a solid sale-or-return scheme is essential in my opinion to save people wasting money.
I'm afraid I have little real interest in accessories, which, for me, seem hugely over-priced. I suppose if you take inflation into account some do represent some sort of value - but obviously, others don't. In the '70s and '80s I used to make cables, re-wire arms and headshells ( before it was ever heard), make my own spikes and platforms and experiment in general. In the process, I did learn that such things did have an effect on sound quality. I was young and enthusiastic then. My enthusiasm however was diminished over a period of time with episodes trying to help a one-time mate. In the end, and because of him, I lost all interest in hi-fi, for a number of years. Over a period if time it returned, but I don't have the same enthusiasm I once had. And I'm an old git now. Rather than spend money on an accessory, I'd sooner buy a clapped-out item of hi-fi or a part for my Lotus Seven copy that I hope to build. Even if I loads of money I still wouldn't spend it on, what seems to me, over-priced accessories. Some months ago I did purchase an acrylic mat as it seemed reasonable, but I have yet to try it. Needless to say that everyone is free to choose how they spend their hard-earned income as they see fit. Don't suppose anyone has any Ford Escort MKII spares?…
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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 14, 2016 21:29:50 GMT
I tried the Isonoes again, this time without the foam spacers, and without the Isonoe boots. I didn't like the sound particularly - I found it quite dark sounding. Took the feet off, put the foam spacers back in place, refitted the feet, levelled up the deck and found the sound much more to my taste. More life to proceedings, but without any upper mid emphasis.
So for me the Isonoes work best as they come. The sorbethane boots are not necessary. I will add that the deck is sat on a slate shelf, which itself is mounted on a wall mounted Target frame. The Target frame has been drilled in places and had expanding foam injected into it to dampen resonances.
I'll bung the Bo!ngs back in later on this week, but for now I'm quite happy with the Isonoe feet doing the support work.
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