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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 12:54:51 GMT
Why is it that the majority UK record sellers have this 'I cannot be arsed attitude' from posting out when they can be bothered to blatently lying about grading, to shocking packing where as if i use German seller the service near all the time is spot on so is grading & packing?
Why is this? I know i have slightly more postage to pay using Europe but boy it is well worth it.
I love Vinyl to bit but tbh the part i detest is the Mail order bit, something i cannot avoid or it would be even more fun..
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Post by MartinT on Nov 8, 2015 14:03:14 GMT
We live in a country where people want cheap and don't appreciate quality. Compare with Germany and it's clear. I think that attitude has percolated into the service industries.
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Post by The Brookmeister on Nov 8, 2015 21:36:58 GMT
Why is it that the majority UK record sellers have this 'I cannot be arsed attitude' from posting out when they can be bothered to blatently lying about grading, to shocking packing where as if i use German seller the service near all the time is spot on so is grading & packing? Why is this? I know i have slightly more postage to pay using Europe but boy it is well worth it. I love Vinyl to bit but tbh the part i detest is the Mail order bit, something i cannot avoid or it would be even more fun.. Majority being whom exactly kind sir? 100% of vinyl I have ever ordered in the last 10+ years has arrived un-scathed including Snow Records Japan As a seller of vinyl myself in the UK I pack in double wall boxes, EU a larger box with smaller box inside and worldwide 2 boxes. Very rare anything gets damaged. As vinyl sales and demand increases its more a question of pressing quality these days, LP's not pressed in the dead centre and other issues more than damage in the post I find.
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Post by ChrisB on Nov 8, 2015 21:40:40 GMT
I think Andre is referring to private vendors of used vinyl.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 8, 2015 22:43:34 GMT
Agreed, my purchases from retail vendors have been fine, those from private sales much more variable.
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Post by Guest on Nov 9, 2015 15:42:05 GMT
Why is it that the majority UK record sellers have this 'I cannot be arsed attitude' from posting out when they can be bothered to blatently lying about grading, to shocking packing where as if i use German seller the service near all the time is spot on so is grading & packing? Why is this? I know i have slightly more postage to pay using Europe but boy it is well worth it. I love Vinyl to bit but tbh the part i detest is the Mail order bit, something i cannot avoid or it would be even more fun.. Majority being whom exactly kind sir? 100% of vinyl I have ever ordered in the last 10+ years has arrived un-scathed including Snow Records Japan As a seller of vinyl myself in the UK I pack in double wall boxes, EU a larger box with smaller box inside and worldwide 2 boxes. Very rare anything gets damaged. As vinyl sales and demand increases its more a question of pressing quality these days, LP's not pressed in the dead centre and other issues more than damage in the post I find. What do you sell please? Or can you message me a link, I'm always after good pressings.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 18:11:34 GMT
Search for "Mains Cables R Us" and you shall find.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 18:17:02 GMT
I have just bought two second hand Yello LPs on Vinyl. One through Momox (based in Germany?) on Amazon- described as Very Good condition - It's mint. Not a mark on it anywhere. The other through ryzemusic on Discogs - described as VG+. The sleeve is "fair". The vinyl is "good".
It really is pot luck buying 2nd hand.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 9, 2015 20:12:58 GMT
I've just bought a CD on eBay, rated as 'very good'. It's quite scratched on the playing side and not nearly a 'very good' at all. Blatant lying is the only excuse I can think of.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 8:17:53 GMT
I think Andre is referring to private vendors of used vinyl. Yep. Bookmeister: Im hardly gonna complain about new Records seller when i would never again touch a new pressing with a barge pole.
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Post by daytona600 on Nov 10, 2015 9:30:13 GMT
only sell new records myself , but do know a few professional used record suppliers i supplied RCMs they do charge a premium but you do get a premium product they all use loricraft / audiodesk / kl audio RCMs they grade using the standard record collector ratings & clean & visually check records condition
Costs more but when they say Mint/Excellent you exactly what you are getting & some spent £4k + on a RCM with all the correct stickers/lyric sheets / Matrix Numbers etc all intact very important as most are £25-100 a pop & some rare ones well into 4 figures
passed on a lot of my collectable 1st pressings myself for top dollar when replacing them with better sounding audiophile remasters
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Post by The Brookmeister on Nov 10, 2015 18:49:57 GMT
I think Andre is referring to private vendors of used vinyl. Yep. Bookmeister: Im hardly gonna complain about new Records seller when i would never again touch a new pressing with a barge pole. I never buy used so we could be a match made in vinyl heaven! LOL
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Post by The Brookmeister on Nov 10, 2015 18:53:10 GMT
Majority being whom exactly kind sir? 100% of vinyl I have ever ordered in the last 10+ years has arrived un-scathed including Snow Records Japan As a seller of vinyl myself in the UK I pack in double wall boxes, EU a larger box with smaller box inside and worldwide 2 boxes. Very rare anything gets damaged. As vinyl sales and demand increases its more a question of pressing quality these days, LP's not pressed in the dead centre and other issues more than damage in the post I find. What do you sell please? Or can you message me a link, I'm always after good pressings. Hi Guest A small joint venture called The Vinyl Adventure selling mainly MoFi pressings and a bit of Clearaudio classical stuff. I don't have the resources to ship out 100's of LP's a day like the big boys so I only keep 30-40 titles its easier that way, plus without going into sales mode I have plenty of bits + pieces that people add to their order.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 9:12:05 GMT
Heres a bonza from yesterday. I bought a bunch of used records last Thursday [5th] Dinnertime, after asking a question i paid for them & got a thanks reply within 5 mins, so at that point i know the seller Acknowledged my order. This morning i got a reply from this seller saying he'll be back off holiday on Sunday [15th]'i'll post your records Monday' [16th] 1st class!
How absolutelty disgusting is that? & that's the kind of thing i put up with quite a bit, that is without knowing what im gonna be opening regardless of the stated condition.
I would kinda understand if it were one 12" single but we are talking over £100 worth of em.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 11, 2015 10:29:48 GMT
I don't do any selling just before I'm about to go away. It's only common courtesy.
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 11, 2015 16:14:02 GMT
Ebay is a total lottery unless you buy from sellers you trust, but today I had a very pleasant surprise. Bought a 12" I have been after for a while which was graded EX - turned out the vinyl was mint, with a totally silent surface. Doesn't happen very often!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 17:00:07 GMT
I've just bought a CD on eBay, rated as 'very good'. It's quite scratched on the playing side and not nearly a 'very good' at all. Blatant lying is the only excuse I can think of. Martin you must remember to insert the word NOT in front of record collector gradings. Any CD that is not described as mint should be viewed with suspicion.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 11, 2015 18:10:37 GMT
Hmm, you're right Paul and I shall adopt that as my buying filter for future purchases.
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Post by daytona600 on Nov 12, 2015 12:16:56 GMT
RECORD COLLECTORS GRADING SYSTEM
Mint (M) The record itself is in brand new condition with no surface marks or deterioration in sound quality. The cover and any extra items such as the lyric sheet. booklet or poster are in perfect condiition. Records marked as Sealed or Unplayed should be Mint.
Excellent (EX) The record shows some signs of having been played, but there is very little lessening in sound quality. The cover and packaging might have slight wear and/or creasing.
Very Good (VG) The record has obviously been played many times, but displayes no major deterioration in sound quality, despite noticeable surface marks and the occasional light scratch. Normal wear and tear on the cover or extra items, without any moajor defects is acceptable
Good (G) Te record has been played so much that the sound quality has notceably deteriorated, perhaps with some distortion and mild scratches. The cover and contents suffer from folding, scuffing of edges, spine splits, discolouration, etc
Fair (F) The record is still just playable but has not been cared for properly and displays considerable surface noise; it may even jump. The cover and contents will be torn, stained and/or defaced.
Poor (P) The record will not play properly due to scratched, bad surface noise, etc. The cover and contents will be badly damaged or partly missing
Bad (B) The record is unplayable or might even be broken, and is only of use as a collection-filler
CD’s and CASSETTES As a general rule CD’s and Cassettes either play perfectly – inwhich case they are in Mint condition – or they don’t, in which case their value is minimal. Cassette tape is liable to deteriorate with age, even if it remains unplayed, so care should be taken when buying old tapes. CD’s are difficult to grade visually; they can look perfect but actually be faulty, while in other cases they may appear damaged but still play perfectly. Cassette and CD inlays and booklets should be graded in the same way as record covers and sleeves. In general, the plastic containers for cassettes and CDs can easily be replaces if they are broken or scratched, but card covers and digipaks are subject to the same wear as record sleeves.
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 12, 2015 13:04:56 GMT
It's probably the EX - 'very little lessening in sound quality' which is most problematic - it can be anything between mint and one for the skip in my experience ...
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