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Post by MartinT on Oct 17, 2018 17:32:43 GMT
I agree with all of that, Mike. I will say, though, that the system needs to be well sorted. A grounding box is no sticking plaster, it adds magic to one that already sounds great. But, boy, that's some magic!
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 17, 2018 19:03:56 GMT
Be interesting to hear what it would do in my system from long ago
LP12 / Naim 32.5 / HiCap, 135s.....
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Post by MartinT on Oct 17, 2018 19:30:27 GMT
I'd hazard a guess at nothing. That system was nowhere on sound quality and fundamentally couldn't reveal such differences.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 8:38:06 GMT
I agree with all of that, Mike. I will say, though, that the system needs to be well sorted. A grounding box is no sticking plaster, it adds magic to one that already sounds great. But, boy, that's some magic! Absolutely 100% spot on Martin, the more linearly cohesive the system the more enjoyment are possible imho Having tried various grounding devices on many systems, it is possible to achieve sideways results just as easy as it possible to gain improvements, system configuration, layout and WHERE you place the leads have a large impact either way. Recently visited a new customer with a rather significant system in a wonderful setting, just getting to grips with his system proved to very difficult before attempting to recommend any components. The grounding systems just compounded the main issue (which was covering over a couple of smaller problems, but not heard because of the major one), lowering the noise floor on a system with intrinsic partially failed electronic box is the not answer! Interestingly though two of chaps (dealers) had tried to shoe horn various extra components into said gent's system and failed to spot the core issue. When the piece of equipment returns from the manufacturer we will re-access the situation. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 29, 2018 11:29:59 GMT
Seemingly from nowhere the system has taken a surprising step up. Saturday multiple cables disconnected, Pass Labs Pre into system to demo before being taken away may have had an effect. One cable left off the RTZ Grounding box and put back on late yesterday. (Did that make a difference ?) Most worthy of mention Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Complete Columbia Albums collection (Remastered) The Inner Mounting Flame better than I've heard before Birds of Fire never sounded so good. An album not well made originally. Between Nothingness and Eternity (live) a big step up from anything I have heard and surprising for a live album. Pulled out the my fairly recent Audio Fidelity version of Birds of Fire - better still ! Bargain if you don't have them Mahavishnu Orchestra - Original Album Classics. 5 albums for very little The last of them being the much better produced Visions of the Emerald Beyond from Mahavishnu Mk2 Wonderful to hear so much, anther surprise. More surprises James Taylor - Mud Slide Slim.. Gurgul Band (thanks ChrisB) Gary Moore - Dark Days in paradise So much detail, weight. Excused myself from a bike ride today to luxuriate in wonderful sounds. While the boss is away for the day the mouse can play, music loud  |
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 29, 2018 12:19:58 GMT
I'm sorry Mike there is an entirely rational explanation for why your system sounds different today, nothing to do with any cable twiddling - you've not had a bike ride and have allowed your body to have a day off and luxuriate in your tunes, so you mind is more relaxed and interpreting the music signals in such a way as to tell you something has changed. Obvious innit!!  |
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Post by MartinT on Oct 29, 2018 12:57:18 GMT
Funny thing: my system sounded great last night, too. I swear some further settling has occurred. Could be the grounding box.
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 29, 2018 13:48:15 GMT
Also helps listening at volume Jules The boss noticed the house jumping around yesterday when she returned My Coherent grounding box is just a lump and passive. Perhaps all in the mind |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 14:09:07 GMT
Funny thing: my system sounded great last night, too. I swear some further settling has occurred. Could be the grounding box. Similarly I have been asked this a lot recently recent as well , really difficult to attribute to this, but what is there to run in the cables? what current is flowing? should be next to zero? Yet many customers have reported this in the last few weeks but there is nothing to run/bed in at all |
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Post by MartinT on Oct 29, 2018 14:45:36 GMT
Perhaps all the micro flux capacitors are now in perfect alignment?
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 29, 2018 16:13:18 GMT
Something else going on ? I'm the only one keeping ears on the sound quality/ Think everyone else has doubts on my marbles |
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Post by MartinT on Oct 29, 2018 18:56:01 GMT
I think, like you Mike, that the grounding boxes continue to improve despite there being no apparent mechanism for it.
The SGS has at least a couple of capacitors in it, which could require time to settle in as there is damn-all current at play.
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 29, 2018 18:59:27 GMT
Remembered I put in 2 or 3 chokes at the other end of the house on a totally different circuit.
Cannot see that making much difference
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 30, 2018 9:09:31 GMT
Listening to Powaqqatsi again. I'm sure there is even more detail in there. Perhaps the Grounding Box and cables are grounding ! |
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 30, 2018 16:16:10 GMT
More 'grounding' or I am losing my marbles ?
(stop nodding)
Went back to Mahavishnu - Inner Mounting Flame
It didn't sound this good only a few days ago
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 3:00:28 GMT
Mike, I’m curious - have you tried pulling all of the grounding out, now you’ve given it time to bed down and understand what it brings?
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 31, 2018 10:22:26 GMT
I'm scared ! Keep saying I'll do it and don't. Tried one out by accident. Listened and heard the improvement when back in. Amazes me how good the quality is now and I keep putting CDs on Surely AC/DC - Let there be rock wasn't that well made, was it ? yet is sounds better and better. Wonder about the 'grounding in' effect if there is one. Is there a residual effect when pulling the cable out that lasts for .....? Is there a cumulative effect after all plugged in ? |
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Post by MartinT on Oct 31, 2018 11:04:45 GMT
I find I really want to leave it alone, so good is the sound I'm getting.
The grounding box is frustrating as the effects are slow both adding it in and removing it. Now I just don't want to touch it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 11:26:30 GMT
Sounds like you are getting a lot of enjoyment from your system, Mike. Not surprised, it sounded pretty impressive the last time I heard it, and that was quite a few upgrades ago.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 13:14:25 GMT
That's the rub with these things, I have three versions of the same device, the all do gives the same results albeit to a greater or lesser degree.
I have two long term units which are permanently wired to plugged in demo equipment (not used) and they serve as the benchmark for listening tests and tweaks to the bigger versions.
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