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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 29, 2014 20:35:47 GMT
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Post by ChrisB on Nov 29, 2014 20:39:25 GMT
It's on at 12:50 tomorrow (Sunday) night/ (Monday) morning.
It was interesting, if a little cliche ridden.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Nov 29, 2014 20:49:16 GMT
Got it taped, yet to watch it.
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Post by John on Nov 29, 2014 22:05:12 GMT
Marshall used to have the best after sales service I come across
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Post by carlsworkshop on Nov 29, 2014 22:13:28 GMT
watched it last night,some great stories in there. Well worth the duration.
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 30, 2014 14:13:15 GMT
Too much glossed over for me, even though I loved it.
How do Marshall keep on top ?
After sales will help a *lot*
What was and is their percentage of the market ?
How come they can stay with valves ? I would expect them to be eaten alive by someone else with SS
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 30, 2014 15:06:28 GMT
I grew up going to concerts where there were wall to wall Marshall stacks, so I was really looking forward to this. This should and could have been a documentary to rival something like Dave Grohl's 'Sound City'. However, the programme was really a missed opportunity to pay a proper tribute. It was hampered by a lack of imagination and most probably budget too ...
The most interesting bits were with the veteran amp designers. The soundbites from the musicians were pretty hopeless and not much said of note. I presume they couldn't get a lot of the A list 'axe men' from the 70's and 80's that should have been on the programme, hence the appearance of the dudes from Grim Reaper and The Sweet. Some guitarists will have since switched allegiance to the likes of Blackstar amps, so I guess there is an issue there aswell.
I would have like to have heard more about the famous Marshall tone and someone actually properly demonstrating how the Marshall stack sounded different to the likes of Vox and Orange amps.
Also, the choice of archive wasn't very inspired. I presume there were issues there getting copyright clearance or something with a lot of it.
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Post by ChrisB on Nov 30, 2014 16:04:39 GMT
Me too!
I felt somewhat cheated when I learnt through a friend who was in a band that released a couple of albums and supported a major name band that it's pretty common practice to hire empty cabs so it really does look like your amp will go to eleven.
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 30, 2014 16:33:31 GMT
I felt somewhat cheated when I learnt through a friend who was in a band that released a couple of albums and supported a major name band that it's pretty common practice to hire empty cabs so it really does look like your amp will go to eleven. Boo, Hiss, shame |
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Post by MartinT on Nov 30, 2014 16:44:16 GMT
I feel like the boy who's just been told the truth about Father Christmas  |
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 30, 2014 17:32:19 GMT
I'm going to buy a Marshall stack when I've moved to a suitably remote and large house!
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Post by carlsworkshop on Nov 30, 2014 17:33:11 GMT
Sheesh !tough crowd ! i know what you mean but i enjoyed it non the less .
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Post by lurcher on Nov 30, 2014 17:48:16 GMT
How come they can stay with valves ? I would expect them to be eaten alive by someone else with SS Well, you might be assuming that everyone else has gone solid state. You would be entirly wrong. Other than jazz and acoustic amps, just about every guitar amp manufacturer is mainly valve, at least once you get past the cheap models. Fender still make the bassman that the program showed them taking apart to steal the design. Even the digital modeling amps that are only just getting close to the tone and response of a good valve amp often have valve output stages. As for why, Charlie Watkins said why in that documentary, forget bloody HiFi, its all about the distortion. A common thing to do is run amps via a variac so they run on lower mains voltage and distort even more. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 30, 2014 17:59:00 GMT
Thanks
Assumed SS could do that by now
So we pay out for great kit that will pick up distortion perfectly ?!
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Post by John on Nov 30, 2014 18:00:01 GMT
With regards to after sales service
My friend had a 1967 combo it had an amazing tone
Back in the early 90s it developed a fault
He tried some guy in London and he just made it sound worse
We took it to Milton Keynes got taken around the factory was introduced to jim brother and was charged £10 as one of the solders had gone dry
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Post by lurcher on Nov 30, 2014 19:26:27 GMT
Thanks Assumed SS could do that by now So we pay out for great kit that will pick up distortion perfectly ?! No, solid state on its own is no closer than it was 20 years ago. The only thing that gets close are the modelling setups that use DSP to mimic the sounds of particular amps and cab's (and microphones in some cases). Some of the very expensive kit models the actual circuit, valves, caps, transformers and all. Its not distortion in the normal sense as its a integral part of the sound of the instrument. But try and use a guitar amp to listen to music and you will see how far from HiFi it is. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 30, 2014 21:29:49 GMT
My education continues........
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Post by Stratmangler on Nov 30, 2014 22:08:19 GMT
There's a way that guitar valve amps respond to a player's touch that solid state amps find difficult to replicate.
You stroke a string and it's all lovliness, snap it and it's like a gunshot.
The guitar and the amp are two parts of one instrument ...
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Post by carlsworkshop on Nov 30, 2014 23:33:55 GMT
id agree with that.
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Post by MartinT on Dec 1, 2014 7:01:39 GMT
So we pay out for great kit that will pick up distortion perfectly ?! The requirements are entirely different, Mike. |
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