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Post by Tim on Dec 8, 2023 10:36:26 GMT
Tilda Swinton playing two roles in new film The Eternal Daughter is quite superb. All shot at night, it really reminded me of the short spooky films the BBC used to make around Xmas time and has a very old fashioned 60's / 70's look which is cleverly achieved by shooting on film stock, not HD, and then really carefully desaturated colour grading on a digital intermediate. The lighting is designed to give the impression that the film was entirely shot under ambient and practical light. So whilst Martin Scorsese is credited as an Exec Producer, the film is a million miles away from Hollywood in every way. The choice of music, by Bela Bartok, is completely inspired and captures the dark mood to perfection. Well, I don't mind admitting Jules you totally baffle me 
Films I think you'd like you don't and films I think you won't like, you do . . . don't ever play poker with me!
It's a great film, I saw it last week and any Joanna Hogg film is an absolute must see for me. Scorsese really rates her and Archipelago is one of his favourite films, he even mentions it in interviews. It's one of mine too, a 5 star film for sure. I'd hesitate to recommend it though, as you'll probably hate it!
As per most of her work, she has no script and pretty much all of Tilda Swinton is improvisation - you probably know, but Tilda and Joanna are life long friends. That's Tilda's dog in the film as well.
It was extremely low budget, filmed during COVID and with a tiny crew - they created their own 'support bubble' in order to do it . . . just shows what can be achieved when you have real talent. It's an A24 film too, who for me are one of the best independent film companies out there right now.
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 8, 2023 13:24:41 GMT
Tilda Swinton playing two roles in new film The Eternal Daughter is quite superb. All shot at night, it really reminded me of the short spooky films the BBC used to make around Xmas time and has a very old fashioned 60's / 70's look which is cleverly achieved by shooting on film stock, not HD, and then really carefully desaturated colour grading on a digital intermediate. The lighting is designed to give the impression that the film was entirely shot under ambient and practical light. So whilst Martin Scorsese is credited as an Exec Producer, the film is a million miles away from Hollywood in every way. The choice of music, by Bela Bartok, is completely inspired and captures the dark mood to perfection. Well, I don't mind admitting Jules you totally baffle me
Films I think you'd like you don't and films I think you won't like, you do . . . don't ever play poker with me!
It's a great film, I saw it last week and any Joanna Hogg film is an absolute must see for me. Scorsese really rates her and Archipelago is one of his favourite films, he even mentions it in interviews. It's one of mine too, a 5 star film for sure. I'd hesitate to recommend it though, as you'll probably hate it!
As per most of her work, she has no script and pretty much all of Tilda Swinton is improvisation - you probably know, but Tilda and Joanna are life long friends. That's Tilda's dog in the film as well.
It was extremely low budget, filmed during COVID and with a tiny crew - they created their own 'support bubble' in order to do it . . . just shows what can be achieved when you have real talent. It's an A24 film too, who for me are one of the best independent film companies out there right now.
Wouldn't life be dull if we were all completely predictable!  I've added Archipelago to my watch list and I'll see it soon enough. No script and improv would scare the pants off me - the complete opposite of the world I used to inhabit when every frame needs to be accounted for. You're quite right - it's talent that shines through in the end. Joanna Hogg's talent and that of all those around her - to make a film that good on a low budget you're just dependant on everyone giving their best, which they obviously have done. The sound design is still ringing in my ears, so haunting! |
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Post by Tim on Dec 8, 2023 13:37:12 GMT
I like all her films, there are 6 plus a short, but Archipelago is my favourite. She used to work in television, but it wasn't a good fit for her, so left. She was asked why she walked away and said, 'I wanted to make my own films, so I could do everything they told me I couldn't do in television'. That's my kind of filmmaker |
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Post by rfan8312 on Dec 8, 2023 21:24:51 GMT
Tilda Swinton playing two roles in new film The Eternal Daughter is quite superb. All shot at night, it really reminded me of the short spooky films the BBC used to make around Xmas time and has a very old fashioned 60's / 70's look which is cleverly achieved by shooting on film stock, not HD, and then really carefully desaturated colour grading on a digital intermediate. The lighting is designed to give the impression that the film was entirely shot under ambient and practical light. So whilst Martin Scorsese is credited as an Exec Producer, the film is a million miles away from Hollywood in every way. The choice of music, by Bela Bartok, is completely inspired and captures the dark mood to perfection. Well, I don't mind admitting Jules you totally baffle me
Films I think you'd like you don't and films I think you won't like, you do . . . don't ever play poker with me!
It's a great film, I saw it last week and any Joanna Hogg film is an absolute must see for me. Scorsese really rates her and Archipelago is one of his favourite films, he even mentions it in interviews. It's one of mine too, a 5 star film for sure. I'd hesitate to recommend it though, as you'll probably hate it!
As per most of her work, she has no script and pretty much all of Tilda Swinton is improvisation - you probably know, but Tilda and Joanna are life long friends. That's Tilda's dog in the film as well.
It was extremely low budget, filmed during COVID and with a tiny crew - they created their own 'support bubble' in order to do it . . . just shows what can be achieved when you have real talent. It's an A24 film too, who for me are one of the best independent film companies out there right now.
Honestly Tim the actress Vanessa Kirby is the only one I can remember besides Tilda Swinton that can produce a moment during a scene that is nearly shocking in her delivery of a line or even with just her presence standing there. If Kirby and Swinton ever play alongside each other in a serious film it will be devastation. |
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Post by Slinger on Dec 8, 2023 22:09:03 GMT
Talking of Tilda Swinton, is it time to mention the late Derek Jarman yet?  I was thinking mainly of Orlando, but only because a someone I used to know co-wrote the music for it. |
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Post by Tim on Dec 10, 2023 12:01:15 GMT
Talking of Tilda Swinton, is it time to mention the late Derek Jarman yet? I was thinking mainly of Orlando, but only because a someone I used to know co-wrote the music for it. How did you leap from Jarman to Orlando I'm thinking, or is it just the Tilda connection? Good film though and going back to Jarman . . . . Caravaggio - now that's a film and it's never a bad time to mention Derek Jarman Paul
The below is mainly for julesd68 but I watched Tilda earlier this morning being interviewed at SXSW 2023 and she was talking about The Eternal Daughter, so thought you might find it interesting. The relevant section starts at 48:35 and lasts about 5 minutes.
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Post by Slinger on Dec 10, 2023 13:55:01 GMT
Talking of Tilda Swinton, is it time to mention the late Derek Jarman yet? I was thinking mainly of Orlando, but only because a someone I used to know co-wrote the music for it. How did you leap from Jarman to Orlando I'm thinking, or is it just the Tilda connection? Precisely that, Tim. The discussion had turned to Tilda, (the actress, not the rice) and she became not only one of Jarman's closest friends, but also one of his regular troupe of actors, and appeared in a fair few of his films. In fact, some called her his " muse". So, not too distant a connection. I've just Googled it, she was in nine of Jarman's films. |
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Post by Tim on Dec 10, 2023 14:02:28 GMT
That's a cool leap then - I like how your brain works old bean |
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 11, 2023 13:36:39 GMT
Talking of Tilda Swinton, is it time to mention the late Derek Jarman yet? I was thinking mainly of Orlando, but only because a someone I used to know co-wrote the music for it. The below is mainly for julesd68 but I watched Tilda earlier this morning being interviewed at SXSW 2023 and she was talking about The Eternal Daughter, so thought you might find it interesting. Thanks for sharing that Tim, it's a lovely clip! I'm going to watch the whole interview, I'm sure it will be worthwhile. |
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Post by Tim on Dec 12, 2023 10:14:33 GMT
I'm going to watch the whole interview, I'm sure it will be worthwhile. It's a good interview Jules and I'd say worthwhile if you like Tilda. I like how she talks about 'the grain of performance' near the end and how she hates 'seeing' acting. I'm exactly the same and it's my biggest issue with Kenneth Brannagh, to me he always looks like he's acting. DiCaprio in Killers of the Flower Moon too. Instead of just playing the character of Ernest Burkhart, he's acting it - an odd choice to me as it seems unnecessary. Still a great film though. |
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Post by MartinT on Dec 12, 2023 11:29:40 GMT
When an actor breaks through acting to convincingly becoming that person, it's a thrilling experience. It happens only rarely for me, but it certainly adds to the experience and remains in my memory for long after.
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Post by Tim on Dec 12, 2023 11:54:34 GMT
When an actor breaks through acting to convincingly becoming that person, it's a thrilling experience. It happens only rarely for me, but it certainly adds to the experience and remains in my memory for long after. Yup, it's rare, especially in modern Hollywood films which is one of the many reasons I'm not a fan of them. Too grandiose in storytelling, visuals and acting . . . they're just not believable. However, one that instantly springs to mind is Robert De Niro in Taxi Driver. He was Travis Bickle . . . an outstanding film and for me possibly Scorsese's ultimate masterpiece. A true cinematic experience, great story, great central character, stunning visuals, superb groundbreaking camera work plus a brilliant score. That's pretty much every box ticked!
Although I had issues with the choice of character and who it was clearly influenced by, Cate Blanchett in TÁR is pretty impressive too.
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Post by MartinT on Dec 12, 2023 14:07:37 GMT
Robert De Niro in Taxi Driver. He was Travis Bickle . . . an outstanding film and for me possibly Scorsese's ultimate masterpiece No argument from me there. A stunning performance, possibly never bettered by him (although Heat comes very close). |
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Post by rfan8312 on Dec 12, 2023 14:19:28 GMT
Tbh I think Robert Downey Jr. In the first Sherlock Holmes disappears quite well into his role.
Both Jodie Comer and Matt Damon in The Last Duel do it very well and and another imo is Benicio Del Toro in Fear And Loathing in Las Vegas.
Actually I'd even say that Brad Pitt disappeared in Kalifornia and in Snatch.
3 actors who I like very much though never seem like anything other than themselves in a film are Samuel Jackson, Tom Cruise and even John Malkovich.
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Post by Slinger on Dec 12, 2023 14:25:22 GMT
3 actors who I like very much though never seem like anything other than themselves in a film are Samuel Jackson, Tom Cruise and even John Malkovich. I thought John Malkovich was very convincing in Being John Malkovich. |
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Post by rfan8312 on Dec 12, 2023 14:44:51 GMT
Ok I gotta see that one. I'd always heard about it. I have almost.2 weeks off coming up. Will grab a gander.
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Post by Tim on Dec 12, 2023 14:46:14 GMT
3 actors who I like very much though never seem like anything other than themselves in a film are Samuel Jackson, Tom Cruise and even John Malkovich. Add one more to that list, Tom Hanks. I really like Tom when I've heard him talk about cinema and life in general, he's a nice guy and a very competent actor - but I wish he'd do something other than play Tom Hanks!
Having said that, maybe he's comfortable doing that and doesn't want to do anything else? It's certainly a winning formula for the films he's in, so if that's the case then I can't argue with that and go Tom |
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Post by rfan8312 on Dec 12, 2023 15:01:53 GMT
Yup 100% Tom Hanks...tbh even Denzel Washington. I think the trick with them is they are cast into roles that require Denzel and Tom Hanks to be themselves lol.
Maybe the closest I've seen Denzel play outside of himself is the movie Flight.
Tbh I actually struggle with American actors acting. If you ever watch Argentine or Mexican films or even just sitcoms and soap operas the acting is like magic. It's a completely different level.
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 12, 2023 16:44:31 GMT
I once saw John Malkovich in a West End play about 30 years ago - it was an amazing experience, I can still almost sense the power and energy he had.
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Post by Tim on Dec 12, 2023 17:54:54 GMT
Tbh I actually struggle with American actors acting . . . . . I would say around 80% of my film viewing is non American so my normal is watching actors who are their characters and totally believable, so I absolutely agree with you. I also watch quite a lot of cinematic documentaries and you can't get more authentic than that.
I saw Queendom at the cinema yesterday and wasn't going to mention it thinking it pointless, but it's not only an incredibly courageous story, but the quality of the film-making is superb. I haven't stopped thinking about it, as it was extremely moving too.
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I was thinking mainly of Orlando, but only because a someone I used to know co-wrote the music for it.