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Post by julesd68 on Aug 17, 2024 19:28:39 GMT
It's just me then  Queensrÿche are a bit of a time machine for me.
100% and that's the beauty of some music that captures a place and time. I'm transported back to a dingy rock club in Manchester and you're off to the Cayman Islands - you couldn't make it up as they say ... |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 17, 2024 20:11:54 GMT
That's very much better, Tim. Not saying they're going to be my new fave band, but it's very listenable compared with that horribly compressed album of this thread. open.qobuz.com/track/117879381 |
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Post by John on Aug 18, 2024 9:23:01 GMT
Empire was the album that made them in America.
It's not as dark or powerful as Operation Mindcrime
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Post by John on Aug 18, 2024 9:27:09 GMT
For Operation Mindcrime came at the perfect time. I was getting tired of listening to AOR as just became to predictable for me. So it was like a rediscovery of my metal routes.
Funnily enough I was not into the first e.p. but I did like the warning and rage for order.
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Post by rfan8312 on Aug 18, 2024 22:08:07 GMT
...uhhh... this is kind of good. The rythms are fun and somehow I don't hate the vocals. Infectious. Son of a gun. I'll keep at this for a few days so that I can leave a proper vote in the poll.
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Post by John on Aug 19, 2024 4:54:15 GMT
For a few of my friends it was a sleeper, that they gradually got into.
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 19, 2024 14:44:46 GMT
Took me by surprise coming right after The White Album Hmm. This is ok Then he started screaming <persevering> |
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Post by John on Aug 19, 2024 17:55:23 GMT
Gosh you need to listen to Jinger Pieces for a vocal experience
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 20, 2024 9:59:37 GMT
Queensryche
Music I like
Vocals I hate
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Post by rfan8312 on Aug 20, 2024 12:15:09 GMT
Im ususal feel that way Mike but somehow with this group I feel like the vocals are like an opiate. They're like a dopamine hit for me.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 20, 2024 13:21:45 GMT
They're like a smack on the back of the head for me.
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Post by julesd68 on Aug 20, 2024 13:36:17 GMT
Sometimes we all need a slap on the back of the head.
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Post by rfan8312 on Aug 20, 2024 15:41:39 GMT
Oh I could definitely use a smack upside AND backside the head. But there's a moment in the vocals of track 3 that causes the hairs on my neck to stand and it reminds me of some other time I've heard this sort of a vocal sound though I can't place it yet.
It's at exactly 1:25 in this clip. Is that considered atonal harmony between voice and background music?
For all I know so far it may be another Queensryche track I heard this sort vocal performance on but I can't remember any other songs I'd ever heard from this band.
Maybe I'm thinking of Alice In Chains will have to find out.
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Post by John on Aug 20, 2024 15:58:59 GMT
I think most of the album was written with Geoff Tate writing the lyrics and Chris DeGarmo the music
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Post by julesd68 on Aug 20, 2024 18:07:47 GMT
Oh I could definitely use a smack upside AND backside the head. But there's a moment in the vocals of track 3 that causes the hairs on my neck to stand and it reminds me of some other time I've heard this sort of a vocal sound though I can't place it yet. It's at exactly 1:25 in this clip. Is that considered atonal harmony between voice and background music? For all I know so far it may be another Queensryche track I heard this sort vocal performance on but I can't remember any other songs I'd ever heard from this band. Right, have been through this with number one son whose understanding of music theory is at a higher level than mine. He has spent quite a while breaking down the track in theoretical terms for the vocals and dual guitars to find the relationship between them. Typically for the band the track was written in a minor key to give it that sense of foreboding and bleakness - the key is A Minor and the notes used in the track will all come from the scale of A Minor. You could ask your computer to play you a piano scale in A minor so you know what's meant here. Apologies if you know the scales already! What is happening at the point in the track you mentioned (the pre-chorus) is all in A Minor. Perhaps what your ears are questioning is the fact that Geoff's vocal progression is upwards whilst the guitar chords have a downwards progression - it's like a form of contrary motion. Imagine two piano scales being played with contrary motion (a technique pianists need to master) the right hand plays a scale going upwards whilst the left hand plays the same scale backwards. It is an interesting effect. "Atonal harmony" is a contradiction in terms. If there was atonality, it would sound a complete mess - atonality means that the music is not in an established key pattern - put in very simplistic terms it would sound like there is no established musical connection between the notes and they would sound "random" and potentially displeasing to the ear depending on the skill of the composer who might compose atonally. We won't get into atonal classical music here. So you can imagine if the band were playing in A Minor but Geoff was singing atonally it would be horrendous and just plain "wrong" sounding. Does this help at all?
And thanks for posting that clip - it's peak Queensryche, they were such a massive band then. |
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Post by rfan8312 on Aug 21, 2024 3:16:22 GMT
Wow, very cool Jules. Yes it does sort of make sense to me what you're saying about how it wouldn't sound right if it was actually atonal.
I guess you're right it's like a rising progression with a downwards progression under it at that 1:25 mark. I'll look around to see where else I've heard it.
No wonder they were so big. Stellar vocals over fun rythms and cool songwriting.
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Post by John on Aug 21, 2024 4:51:59 GMT
No wonder they were so big. Stellar vocals over fun rythms and cool songwriting. For me this sums the album up |
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Post by ajski2fly on Aug 23, 2024 10:14:22 GMT
Well this is one for the bag, an absolutely great pick for the album choice! I have never heard it before and enjoyed it all the way through, a classic IMHO. At times I was sonically reminded of Rush and also Nazareth, the vocals are excellent and again remind me of another singer but can't put my finger on who. I see that Peter Collins produced it, who also produced Gary Moore, Bon Jovi, Billy Squier, Rush, Air Supply, Alice Cooper and others, so maybe his influence is the reason for sonic similarities I hear. I think I may be ordering a copy. Thanks John a clear 5/5 from an old rocker.  |
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Post by rfan8312 on Aug 24, 2024 4:53:45 GMT
This goofy little album has made me question what I listen to music for.
Turns out this whole time music has been an emotional soundscape, an intellectual tickle, or a memory trigger.
But stuff like this seems more like music for the body. Something to move to. Will check another Queensryche album. Though, the vocals are doing more than just making me want to move.
Stellar 5/5
My vote for this years Choicey Awards
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Post by John on Aug 24, 2024 6:06:59 GMT
Its a album that I used to play daily. I saw them do the whole show when it was recorded for DVD at the Apollo in Hammersmith.
Off to see Geoff Tate next month and he will hopefully do a good few tracks from this album.
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