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Post by jonjon on Oct 12, 2024 23:43:17 GMT
How much improvement can we expect when compared to the Leo Bodnar clock? I already have the N18 at the clean side. The dirty side is a Dlink sfp with LHY DC. So if I were to purchase the N18Pro, it would replace the clean side connecting to the Leo Bodnar while the dirty side will be replaced with the N18. That's more or less the set up l run, but l first purchased N18Pro to replace a very good modded Cisco switch,l found the stock N18Pro was smoother more refined, but already having a LB l wanted to hear if there was a difference running the LB with the R26 and the N18Pro at the same time, and in short, the answer is a definite yes. l then sold my other Cisco ( I daisy change my switches) and purchased another N18Pro which runs stock, l could have just purchased a N18 but l see it as poor value compared to N18Pro which has more ports and external clock connection. When John visited a few weeks back, l demonstrated the difference, and you could clearly hear the improvement when the N18Pro was run off the LB. Hope that helps Damien Thanks Damien. I was just thinking how much improvement will it bring as compared to the LB clock which is ridiculous value for the price.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 13, 2024 5:18:38 GMT
That's more or less the set up l run, but l first purchased N18Pro to replace a very good modded Cisco switch,l found the stock N18Pro was smoother more refined, but already having a LB l wanted to hear if there was a difference running the LB with the R26 and the N18Pro at the same time, and in short, the answer is a definite yes. l then sold my other Cisco ( I daisy change my switches) and purchased another N18Pro which runs stock, l could have just purchased a N18 but l see it as poor value compared to N18Pro which has more ports and external clock connection. When John visited a few weeks back, l demonstrated the difference, and you could clearly hear the improvement when the N18Pro was run off the LB. Hope that helps Damien Thanks Damien. I was just thinking how much improvement will it bring as compared to the LB clock which is ridiculous value for the price. That's hard to say, how can you measure an improvement, That's down to your opinion, you already know what the N18Pro in stock format sounds like,it's the same as your N18. All l can say,the sound becomes more focused and precise when the N18Pro is run via the LB.
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Post by jonjon on Oct 13, 2024 6:04:43 GMT
I am trying to pluck the low hanging fruits first. 😁
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 13, 2024 9:19:29 GMT
I am trying to pluck the low hanging fruits first. 😁 Not heard of that phrase.. But l am presumably your looking to improve things as easier and as cosf effectively as possible?
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Post by MartinT on Oct 13, 2024 9:46:45 GMT
Picking the low-hanging fruit means doing the easiest things first.
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Post by jonjon on Oct 13, 2024 12:16:39 GMT
Using the term a bit more loosely. Want to get the cheapest upgrades or the most value for money done first. I think the diminishing return for hifi is setting in...with the R26 and Leo Bodnar clock. 😅
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 13, 2024 14:26:33 GMT
How about free ?
Grab almost anything heavy and place on top of all of your system boxes. (Bearing in mind vents, heat and scratching the top)
Turn the electricity off that supplies your system Unplug and plug back all mains plugs and interconnects
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Post by jonjon on Oct 13, 2024 15:16:45 GMT
Nice! Thank you!
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Post by jonjon on Oct 16, 2024 8:57:01 GMT
Just ordered the N18pro. Lets see how much improvement.
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Post by jonjon on Oct 17, 2024 14:14:32 GMT
Initial impression especially after replacing the dirty side dlink sfp module with N18 is very good. The most valued improvement I heard now is lesser digital glare. Darker background. Soundstage also improve quite a bit. But not 3 times the value of the leo bodnar clock 😅 i think. Replacing the N18 with N18 pro at the clean side brought only very minor improvements. Waiting for my Harmonic tech cable to arrive to clock it to the N18pro. Will report back.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 17, 2024 15:02:03 GMT
The most valued improvement I heard now is lesser digital glare. Darker background. Soundstage also improve quite a bit. That's a textbook perfect description of the effect of removing digital noise.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 17, 2024 15:24:12 GMT
Initial impression especially after replacing the dirty side dlink sfp module with N18 is very good. The most valued improvement I heard now is lesser digital glare. Darker background. Soundstage also improve quite a bit. But not 3 times the value of the leo bodnar clock 😅 i think. Replacing the N18 with N18 pro at the clean side brought only very minor improvements. Waiting for my Harmonic tech cable to arrive to clock it to the N18pro. Will report back. Thats a positive start, although the LB is a bit of a rarity, as it's not aimed for the Audio market, its a happy discovery,so you'll struggle to find anything in the audio world that is such a bargain. Once you have the N18Pro running from the LB it will improve further, however it's small steps,but definitely a step forward.
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Post by brettj on Oct 21, 2024 8:48:28 GMT
...a very good modded Cisco switch... I'm curious what mods you've done to your Cisco 2960 Damien
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 21, 2024 14:20:11 GMT
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Post by jonjon on Oct 21, 2024 14:30:01 GMT
Just got the cables and connected the N18 pro to the Leo Bodnar clock. To me this is not small. I think the Leo Bodnar clock is crazy value. Without the clock the addition of the N18 pro to my setup is basically cleaning up the noise. Removing digital glare. Clocking the N18 just brings me another level closer to the music. There are much more details in the soundstage. More depth, more focus, more resolution, more bass power. Individual instruments are more defined, more spaces. Loudness and softness are even more defined. Wow.... Just to add, i think it is getting really close to good analogue playback..
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 21, 2024 15:20:16 GMT
Just got the cables and connected the N18 pro to the Leo Bodnar clock. To me this is not small. I think the Leo Bodnar clock is crazy value. Without the clock the addition of the N18 pro to my setup is basically cleaning up the noise. Removing digital glare. Clocking the N18 just brings me another level closer to the music. There are much more details into the soundstage. More depth, more focus, more resolution, more bass power. Individual instruments are more defined, more spaces. Loudness and softness are even more defined. Wow.... Well what do you know... Excellent... The LB having two outputs is Blessing from the Gods... And now you can understand the logic of my madness 🤣 To push it a bit further... Get a Amphenol DAC SFP cable and run from your N18 to N18Pro however, it will have to be a Amphenol as any other brand like Cisco etc just sounds way to hot 🔥. I'm really pleased your getting closer to the music... Well done and enjoy!
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Post by jonjon on Oct 21, 2024 15:39:13 GMT
Just got the cables and connected the N18 pro to the Leo Bodnar clock. To me this is not small. I think the Leo Bodnar clock is crazy value. Without the clock the addition of the N18 pro to my setup is basically cleaning up the noise. Removing digital glare. Clocking the N18 just brings me another level closer to the music. There are much more details into the soundstage. More depth, more focus, more resolution, more bass power. Individual instruments are more defined, more spaces. Loudness and softness are even more defined. Wow.... Well what do you know... Excellent... The LB having two outputs is Blessing from the Gods... And now you can understand the logic of my madness 🤣 To push it a bit further... Get a Amphenol DAC SFP cable and run from your N18 to N18Pro however, it will have to be a Amphenol as any other brand like Cisco etc just sounds way to hot 🔥. I'm really pleased your getting closer to the music... Well done and enjoy! Yes yes can totally understand 😂 I am using finisar now. Dont think i can use ampenol as i understand they can only be used for short distance. I need 10meters as my router is quite far. Really appreciate the advise you have given and the rest of the forum members. It is really really good.Crazy good😁
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 21, 2024 18:39:11 GMT
Well what do you know... Excellent... The LB having two outputs is Blessing from the Gods... And now you can understand the logic of my madness 🤣 To push it a bit further... Get a Amphenol DAC SFP cable and run from your N18 to N18Pro however, it will have to be a Amphenol as any other brand like Cisco etc just sounds way to hot 🔥. I'm really pleased your getting closer to the music... Well done and enjoy! Yes yes can totally understand 😂 I am using finisar now. Dont think i can use ampenol as i understand they can only be used for short distance. I need 10meters as my router is quite far. Really appreciate the advise you have given and the rest of the forum members. It is really really good.Crazy good😁 Yes your correct reference the Amphenol, l run a 3 meter length which l think is the maxinum length? lf you having to use LAN l can highly recommend a Ugreen CAT8 or CAT 7 Cable, the round type not the Flat type. lt's been tested by many TAS users, sounds superb and I'd say pretty cheap, we can thank MartinT for this discovery, to give you some idea, before the Amphenol l used the Ugreen, it simply sounded better than any other LAN or SFP or DAC cable, until l tried the Amphenol... so thats a great indication of how good the cable is.
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Post by brettj on Oct 21, 2024 23:37:11 GMT
I ended up having Audiophool.nl mods on my 2960 Removed the power supply, and attach an OCXO clock
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Post by jonjon on Oct 22, 2024 3:27:00 GMT
Yes yes can totally understand 😂 I am using finisar now. Dont think i can use ampenol as i understand they can only be used for short distance. I need 10meters as my router is quite far. Really appreciate the advise you have given and the rest of the forum members. It is really really good.Crazy good😁 Yes your correct reference the Amphenol, l run a 3 meter length which l think is the maxinum length? lf you having to use LAN l can highly recommend a Ugreen CAT8 or CAT 7 Cable, the round type not the Flat type. lt's been tested by many TAS users, sounds superb and I'd say pretty cheap, we can thank MartinT for this discovery, to give you some idea, before the Amphenol l used the Ugreen, it simply sounded better than any other LAN or SFP or DAC cable, until l tried the Amphenol... so thats a great indication of how good the cable is. I will give the Ugreen cables a try. Currently using cables from Ali express which sounded better than my previous generic ethernet cables. I just found this on AliExpress: SG$56.99 | Nordost ODIN Gold Silver Plated Conductor Ethernet Cable Cat8 Speed Lan Cable RJ45 Cat8 Speed Lan Cable Silver and Gold a.aliexpress.com/_oB1UsZf
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